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Is there any hope for me to move on to Windows 10?

Mar 17, 2017 4:06PM PDT

I have a Lenovo G555 laptop with Windows 7. Wanted to upgrade to Windows 10, but after 2, almost 3 days on and off with Microsoft support, it has finally been determined the computer is incompatible with Windows 10! While I was able to get 10 to load, the MS folks said I might have difficulties and that Windows 10 would not work smoothly. As I write this, I am rolling back to Windows 7 without even trying the Windows 10 1607 build. After trying to get an answer from Lenovo about this, their reply is in essence, "too bad." Any of your followers who have any suggestions on how to possibly get 10 on this laptop would be appreciated. A friend of mine said, "thank your blessings and move on!" Thanks for your help.

--Submitted by Larry A.

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Same here. Went online for a refurb with 7 and am happy
Mar 24, 2017 5:14PM PDT

with it. Have two spare HDD b/u of that and my 14 (!) year old Toshiba laptop with Xp, although when it goes I will scrap it.
The laptop BTW has defunct battery and HDD, so I run only on AC, and an aftermarket drive- $15 online.
And, yes, I still use carbon paper vice a copier. Happy

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A Lot of Factors
Mar 17, 2017 7:32PM PDT

While there has never been a RULE that a newer OS requires a newer computer, some features of old hardware may limit what you can do with a new OS. As mentioned by others, every now and then, you have to upgrade drivers (the software that interfaces the OS and your programs to the hardware devices) to keep up with small changes that run as part of the OS. A good thing would be if all these "upgrade advisor" software things would check drivers but they don't. A long time ago, Microsoft initiated "driver signing" where Microsoft would TEST drivers and certify them for new versions of the OS. I suspect that they charged the device manufacturers for this privilege as a lot of instructions for installing drivers came with instructions to ignore Microsoft's complaints about the driver not being tested.

I have an XP machine that came with 2 GB of RAM and I'm pretty sure it won't run Win 10 especially since it has an old Pentium D processor and there was talk on the internet that certain older processors would not be able to run Win 10. Oddly enough, I was able to go out to buy a machine that came with Win 10 Home 64-bit which I paid extra to upgrade to Win 10 Professional 64-bit but the computer came with 12 GB of RAM and a TB hard drive all for $499. It was worth it to not have to try and run Virtual software on XP in order to load Win 10 and run my tax software.

So, if you figure out how much of a struggle it was to get to the point where you are now, maybe (can't speak for your personal finances) it might just be time to buy new hardware.
The bad part will be if you will need to replace all of your applications and store-bought software with newer Win 10-compatible versions. As someone who is now on a "fixed income" I appreciate what some consumers have to go through. We can't afford to upgrade our cellphones every 6 years or to buy new computers every 13 years like some people can.

I can't run LINUX because I had to run Windows for working from home and they used SSLVPN scripts to make sure I had the right anti-virus and it was fully patched and the OS had to be fully patched since most data was privileged government stuff. You just do what you can.

Post was last edited on March 24, 2017 3:58 PM PDT

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Hardware troubles with Win 10 and other OS options.
Mar 24, 2017 5:03PM PDT

Try Linux Mint 18.1 and the only outside program you may want to buy is called Crossover which is written by Codeweavers. Go to their web site and it has a list of all the Windows programs that have been fully tested and integrated to run in Linux via WINE 2.0. I just loaded up a Windows based weather base station software that I have been trying to get working. With Linux mint you check to see what updates are available for all your programs and pick and choose what and when you want to install it while Big Brother is not looking at everything you are doing. By the way I went this route because this computer failed on a Win 7 to Win 10 upgrade.

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As Mentioned
Mar 25, 2017 11:28AM PDT

I was not only required for my job to use Windows, I was also required to use a specific version of Windows and that version had to be completely patched or I could not connect to work (criminal justice) by SSLVPN to work on servers. So, actually, "Big Brother" was looking at us pretty carefully based on where I worked. We also had to use Symantec or McAfee, current versions with signatures current. Pain in the you-know-what just to connect to make sure everything was updated. Also, no Google anything allowed (you can search on Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) which was one of our customers and keyword Google for activity starting in 2011 but it was basically our customer had to be compliant with Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS) rules and Google didn't want to do background checks on all their employees.
Therefore, work-related stuff dictates a lot. I've been out of work for a couple of years but I'm registered to catch any new data security openings.

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You might be surprised
Mar 25, 2017 5:12AM PDT

I purchased a cisnet mid tower desktop back in 2007. It had an amd x2 processor i think. Anyway a single core. 250 gb hhd and 2gb of ddr ram. I installed windows 10 pro (32 bit) along with 2 more gb of ram. It had a dvd read/write in it originally but encountered some kind of irq request conflict so I put in a cd burner I had laying around. It's not anywhere as fast as my other desktop, but for email, surfing the web, burning audio cd's and any light task it's ok. Point is windows 10 works on it with no modifications. Maybe I got lucky and if in the future I have to upgrade hardware or whatever it's into the trash it goes. P.S. It has the latest version of windows 10 and all the updates. I installed 10 using s sd card.

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That is surprising.
Mar 25, 2017 2:44PM PDT

There is just no way to predict sometimes which computers will work with Windows 10 and which will not. There are obviously some factors that we just don't know about.

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Now with your current HW
Mar 17, 2017 7:45PM PDT

I have the same issue with a desktop containing an Intel Board and i7 processor. Two year old HW and it should be no problem. Everything passed get-windows but still can't get wifi to work consistently. This is a common problem to which I could not find a SW fix. Went to Intel and low-and-behold my mobo is not Win 10 compatible, get-windows be dammed. So, I am currently researching a new mobo and processor.

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cheaper to get...
Mar 18, 2017 5:44PM PDT

...a USB wifi that will work.

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Please read
Mar 17, 2017 8:28PM PDT

Ok, I had to lough for the last five minutes... I calmed down now Happy
Go ahead and start using WIN 10! It is less resource consuming than WIN 7. Will it work better on a current PC, sure it will but so will WIN 7... At today's PC prices, I would not even post questions about not keeping-up with technology. I assume you get a new car every now and then; well, computers are as well not meant to be "good for ever". It's only up to you, keep the current PC and use WIN 10 or get a new one... Or, if your desire is to be stuck in time keep using WIN 7, it's just like driving a 20 year old car in terms of comparison.

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You assume way too much
Mar 18, 2017 12:47PM PDT

Many people do not even own cars, and even at today's PC prices, they are still expensive. As for Windows 7, it is at least as good as Windows 10. Don't force your assumptions and preferences on the original poster.

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Your statemnets...
Mar 19, 2017 11:30AM PDT

"Many people do not even own cars" ; "at today's PC prices, they are still expensive" ; "As for Windows 7, it is at least as good as Windows 10". .. These are your statements. I just picked the first offer from BestBuy, did not even go further in performance details because I was only looking at the lowest price and WIN 10... ***************** Here's the link to my "discovery",************
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-100s-14ibr-14-laptop-intel-celeron-2gb-memory-32gb-emmc-flash-memory-navy-blue/5669100.p?skuId=5669100

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Post was last edited on March 20, 2017 9:42 AM PDT

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New similar W10 laptop 151.64 USD touchscreen.
Mar 19, 2017 11:44AM PDT
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This is great
Mar 19, 2017 1:29PM PDT

...but even that is a lot of money for some people. I might take advantage of this for a friend of mine.

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Please read forum policies.
Mar 19, 2017 1:41PM PDT

Personal attacks are not allowed.
Dafydd.

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Original Issue
Mar 25, 2017 11:35AM PDT

The OP posted that he couldn't get Win 10 to install successfully and even Microsoft couldn't help. Oh, my car is a 1998 model that I bought new and my PC originally came with XP. Yes, I bought another PC for $499 because my tax software no longer runs on XP. The point being, there are many of us who have not had any income for (in my case) three years so we are VERY limited in what we can use. I also own a fairly new iPhone 5 (not 5S). Win 7 is OK (we moved to it just before I got laid off in 2014), but I really don't like Win 10 either. I've used it for a few months and can't find things.

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What OS to take to the stars?
Mar 17, 2017 10:22PM PDT

The consensus so far indicates that NASA should run the first interstellar starship on Windows 7 rather than Windows 10. They just need to take along a few backup hard drives and power supplies to keep it running during the twenty years or so to Proxima Centauri.

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Most likely drivers are stopping you
Mar 18, 2017 2:06AM PDT

I couldn't see anything in the machine spec or CPU spec that would stop you, except maybe the lack of an NS bit in the processor, always assuming you have enough RAM and HDD space. But you seems to have managed to load some sort of Win10 system, it just doesn't run well/at all. My guess would be that it's lack of drivers for Win 10 and for a machine announced in the fairly early days of Win 7, if that is the case, your chances of ever finding any are slim to none.

So the short answer to your question is no, stick with Win 7 on that system. The good news is you don't get the big forced updates that come with 10 (this month's took me over an hour to download and install and that on a 2.53 GHz dual core machine with a solid state disk!) and you don't get all the telemetry traffic to Redmond. Win 7 gets security patches until 2020 on your machine - stick with it until the hardware expires.

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Moving to Windows 10
Mar 18, 2017 7:20AM PDT

I had used W7 for 4 or 5 years and was happy with that, but "Time Marches On" as the former Theater News reel used to proclaim. I bought a new HP W10 Desktop about a year ago and use it each and every day. Actually I have W7 stuck on to a W10 computer. I use all the programs that I formerly used on my W7 computer and each and everyone of them works fines there. W10 will be around for years so you might as well go there. W7 will expire sometime in 2020 and they will likely not support if with any updates. W7 and W10 are both O/Ss and they depend on other programs for people to do their work. I did install Office 2016 on it, while I had Office 2010 on my W7 computers, but both of them work just fine.

My W10 HP Desktop has an i7 processor, 24 gig of ram, a 128 gig SSD and 2 terabyte HD to use, so everything works very smoothly. I put a 500 Gig Samsung SSD on my W7 Lenovo Desktop, and now that device boots quickly and is easy to use. Whatever you do about upgrading to W10, you will be better served by an i7 processor which to all intents and purposed is an 8 core processor. 4 cores with hyper threading to be truly correct. 16 gig or ram or more and an SSD, hopefully 256 gig or 500 gig. Also it might be good to have a regular terabyte or greater HD too. That type of configuration will put anything that you have ever owned or used in the past a welcome sight in your rear view mirror. With that type of power, you can count on using it many, many years into the future. It might cost in the $1000 neighborhood, but you will be eternally thankful that you did it.

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Sadly, I think your only choice will be to get a new machine
Mar 18, 2017 8:01AM PDT

I have a Sony VAIO from around 2008 that wouldn't upgrade to Win 10 even though the upgrade advisor on the MS website said it was compatible. Sony's website merely indicates that it is not supported, try at your own risk. I gave up after four or five attempts and was finally able to rid it of the upgrade nag, although the Windows Update keeps showing the failed upgrade/try again option.

Seems that the general attitude is that if the machine is more than a couple of years old, there is surprise that it is even still working and that you should just replace it.

Worst part is that as the older machine's software ages, and is no longer updated for security, they force you into disposing of perfectly functional hardware. The upgrades/changes to the software seem to consistently demand higher and higher hardware specification meaning that even if the old machines can run the new program, it is really slow and frustrating. Really, how modern a processor, video card, hard drive, etc. do you need for browsing the web, email or simple word processing that the average home user does?

And I'm sure that some would say "use Linux" as a magic solution. I tried that on a couple of different machines. Linux is not particularly user friendly when it comes to trying to get hardware to work properly and trying to learn and comprehend it's command structure and operations is far more difficult than working with Windows - in my experience. Plus I think Linux has the same issues with older hardware that Windows does.

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Here is what I think...
Mar 18, 2017 12:43PM PDT

I was just in this same position. I went ahead and did it. But, all my drivers were incompatible. So in the long run it is just easier to get a new computer.

'Till next time
Z

Note: This post was edited to remove personal information

Post was last edited on March 24, 2017 4:03 PM PDT

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My solution to Win 10 upgrade failure
Mar 24, 2017 4:55PM PDT

Hello

I had this problem with a Packard Bell desktop computer less than a year ago. Made several attempts to upgrade to Win 10 without success.

It turned out it was a Nvidia graphics driver that was the problem. I went on to the Nvidia website and was presented with more than one sort of driver upgrade. Not being sure which, I downloaded them all and one by one installed them after uninstalling the previous. All to no avail.

On the Microsoft website, there was the option of downloading Win 10 and burning to DVD which I did. Much to my surprise the subsequent installation from it worked. Also, it appears, Microsoft will substitute a Third Party graphics driver with their own if required.

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Are you unhappy with Windows 7?
Mar 24, 2017 5:05PM PDT

Windows 7 is a pretty good operating system, and it's compatible with almost all good software and games. If for some reason you are fed up with Windows 7 you might want to try one of the free versions of Linux that you can download and install. It goes without saying that you should confirm that a chosen Linux install is compatible with your older hardware before proceeding!

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Would like to add
Mar 24, 2017 5:10PM PDT

Hello again

I forgot to ask how old your Lenovo is.

My Packard Bell desktop is 09 years old and is just 4gb RAM max.

I've got a Lenovo and Dell laptop over 4 years old and both upgraded fine although the Dell did require at least 2 attempts to complete the upgrade installation satisfactorily.

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windows 10
Mar 24, 2017 5:12PM PDT

w1ndows 10 is total ****

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Don't give up yet!
Mar 24, 2017 5:17PM PDT

I had a similar problem with a Lenovo P580 (Best Buy's version of the G580, I think). 4 separate attempts with the MS phone technical specialists could not get Win10 installed on my Win7 machine. I then took it to a MS retail store (at the Garden State Mall in NJ) when I went there over the Christmas holidays, and the tech specialist there was able to install it. They didn't charge me for it even though it was past the free installation period, because I had tried during that period without success. They had records of all those attempts in their system. Also, when I did some research on my machine at the Lenovo site it indicated my machine could not be upgraded to Win10. This was not true! The technician however did do a clean install, wiping out all my old files. Since I backed these up before I went to him this was not a problem. Everything seems to be working properly after three months, with no unexplainable glitches. I don't know if the phone tech specialists tried to do a clean install or not - most likely, not.

So, if you can't get to an MS retail store, you might try having the phone technician do a clean install, after of course saving all your important files. Reinstalling everything is a bit of a pain, but I have to say I do like Win10.

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It's worth the try indeed
Mar 27, 2017 2:02AM PDT

I agree with you, jackkar4. I have a laptop Dell E5510, win7. It was quite slow. Only 2GB RAM, 160GB harddisk. Dell website says "Product not tested for Windows 10 upgrade" "Dell is not testing or developing Windows 10 drivers for this product. If you choose to upgrade, some features, applications, and connected devices may not work as expected."
I took out the hard drive and mounted an 80$ SSD (128GB). So I could always easy revert to my win7 by simply putting the disk back in. I did a fresh install of win10 on the SSD. The installation went perfect, everything was recognized and everything works. It has never been faster. Startup and shutdown are surprisingly fast too. And I don't think win10 is so extremely different compared to win7. I had considered using "classic shell" program to let win10 emulate win7 looks and feel, but after working a few months with win10 I don't see any reason to do that. It works fine as it is.

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correction
Mar 27, 2017 2:16AM PDT

correction: I confused some things. The laptop I talked about is a Dell D830 (year 2008), 2x 2GB RAM (speed 667).
I installed the 32bit win10, so I can only use 3.5GB of the RAM but that makes no difference.
Processor is T9300.
I use it for browsing, Word, and photo editing and photo presentation making.

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Old 'JUNK?'
Mar 27, 2017 6:45AM PDT

I'm glad to find I'm not the only one running an 'ancient' laptop computer on Win 10. Laptop still does everything I need, the only change is fitting a partitioned 500gb hard drive for Ubuntu and Win 10 to share. I know what I would like to say to all the people saying scrap old computer and get a new one, I bet half of them are also 'tree hugger' types who drive Prius to 'save the planet'. Don't they realise the environmental damage of their actions or are they all NIMBY's Not In My Back Yard (so it doesn't matter to me what 'foreigners do) Retards!