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Is there any hope for me to move on to Windows 10?

Mar 17, 2017 4:06PM PDT

I have a Lenovo G555 laptop with Windows 7. Wanted to upgrade to Windows 10, but after 2, almost 3 days on and off with Microsoft support, it has finally been determined the computer is incompatible with Windows 10! While I was able to get 10 to load, the MS folks said I might have difficulties and that Windows 10 would not work smoothly. As I write this, I am rolling back to Windows 7 without even trying the Windows 10 1607 build. After trying to get an answer from Lenovo about this, their reply is in essence, "too bad." Any of your followers who have any suggestions on how to possibly get 10 on this laptop would be appreciated. A friend of mine said, "thank your blessings and move on!" Thanks for your help.

--Submitted by Larry A.

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Blessing in disguise
Mar 17, 2017 5:17PM PDT

...Sounds to me like the PC gods have shined down on you and saved you from countless reboots, malfunctioning drivers, and overall disdain for your computer...7 is just fine. Or if your real ambicious windows 8.1? 10 isn't worth the fake ink this post is written with.

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upgrade 10 advisor
Mar 17, 2017 5:18PM PDT

Please ignore my previous message. That was the windows 7 upgrade advisor. There is an application that is built into the "get windows 10" application. After you run it there is an option to check you pc for compatibility.

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Windows 10 compatibility advisor is not always correct
Mar 17, 2017 6:15PM PDT

I have a desktop I built in 2011, running the Intel 1155 "Sandy Bridge" system, with an i5-2500K processor. Last August, I upgraded after Microsoft said "Compatible." *

I started having problems with the unit freezing on the spinning wheel after the November auto upgrade, and it was not until FEBRUARY that Microsoft realized that Intel chose not to upgrade the drivers to allow 1155 motherboards to run Win 10. DUH! I spent countless hours on the phone with MS Tech Support before someone finally told the phone reps the real scoop. They now say units before 2013 are too old.

I had to revert back to my Windows 7 Professional, which works fine. It was not as painful as I expected because most everything was saved into a "Windows-old" folder on the hard drive. ( I did back up beforehand to an external drive just in case.)

I now have a Win 10 laptop and a Win 7 desktop, and frankly there are not any major items to recommend one over the other. Stay with Win 7 and be happy.

* In hindsight, I should have called the motherboard manufacturer and asked them, but NO, I trusted Microsoft.

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Win 10's only benefit is touchscreen capability, IMO.
Mar 24, 2017 7:35PM PDT

To expand on my reply above, the only reason to prefer Win 10 over Win 7 is the ability to use a touchscreen; and that is only a minor benefit, IMO.

The reason I am running Win 10 on my laptop is exactly for that reason, otherwise I would have gone back to Win 7 (the laptop came with Win Cool so both computers would be on the same operating system.

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1155 motherboard
Mar 25, 2017 6:40PM PDT

I'm on an 1155 motherboard when I went to upgrade it wouldn't work. Eventually I got it to work by doing a clean install. Make a complete system backup. Download the windows 10 media creation tool. Even though you want 10 on this machine chose to create media for a different pc. Boot off the newly created usb or dvd. delete all partitions on the os hdd. install windows 10. if drivers for 10 are unavailable try windows 8 drivers they may just work. restore personal files from the backup.

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FYI fourbypete I deleted your post...
Mar 24, 2017 10:14AM PDT

that had the mistake in it.
Cheers,
-Lee

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Upgrade adviser full of it
Mar 26, 2017 3:20PM PDT

I had the same problems with my Sony Vaio laptop. The Upgrade Adviser said that my laptop would accept the upgrade, but I ran into countless problems, including the loss of bluetooth function and my web cam. When I finally went to the Sony website, they indicated that the Vaio Laptop would NOT upgrade with full function. The moral of the story obviously is NOT to trust the Upgrade Adviser and go straight to the manufacturer for the definitive answer.

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Stick with 7
Mar 17, 2017 5:20PM PDT

Trust me. I have both 7 and 10. Stick with 7. You're really not missing anything. In my case I miss features when I use 10.

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I have bad news and good news
Mar 17, 2017 6:02PM PDT

The bad news is that there is no work around that will make your computer able to run Windows 10. You will simply have to wait until you can get a new computer for that.

The good news is that it really doesn't matter at this point in time. Windows 7 is, arguably, the best Windows version yet made. It is still being supported, and will be for some time yet. It is more than acceptable.

I wouldn't worry about this. By the time you are forced to move on to Windows 10 (skip 8, trust me! It's like a modern version of Windows Me) your current computer will need to be replaced anyway. Save up for that day and enjoy Windows 7 in the meantime.

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You're very unkind Denise!
Mar 18, 2017 2:15AM PDT

I and a lot of my colleagues used and were very happy with Windows Me, like 98-SE2 with XP's easy configuration enhancements. True it needed 48 MB RAM rather than 32 MB (yes, folks, those are "M"s) but was very stable. How can this be? It was the UK edition, my US colleagues were tearing their hair out!

I agree with you about Win 8 though, possibly the worst thing Microsoft ever did and 8.0 isn't supported any longer, while 7 is. If the OP can't get to 10, then likely 8.1 wouldn't work either, that's when SSE2, NS and NX became mandatory.

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Unkind how?
Mar 18, 2017 12:44PM PDT

I had Windows Me and I made it work well. However, Windows Me is commonly supposed to be the worst Windows version ever. Windows 8.x is just as bad or worse. I did not insult anyone.

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windows 10
Mar 24, 2017 5:13PM PDT

she is very kind to you windows 10is total ****

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Support For WIN-7
Mar 24, 2017 5:47PM PDT

Can't remember where I read it but WIN-7 support is going to end late in 2017. ??? Can anyone confirm?

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No
Mar 25, 2017 2:36PM PDT

You were informed improperly. Windows 7 support is good for several more years.

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Windows 7 SP1 Extended Support Lasts Till 2020
Mar 25, 2017 3:41PM PDT

Although the "Mainstream Support" has ended, "Extended Support" still continues till January 2020. That means it will still get Windows Updates, etc. Of course, based on Microsoft's past extensions, it's possible it could be extended longer. See the link below for dates and answers to your questions about "Mainstream" vs "Extended"..

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

Hope this helps.

Grif

Post was last edited on March 25, 2017 3:42 PM PDT

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Stop the intrusion of Microsoft
Mar 17, 2017 6:08PM PDT

Windows 10 is beyond invasive of your privacy. Keep Windows 7, I too have both installed on two different computers. Not much difference. Never a problem with Win 7 and less invasion by Microsoft.

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I've Heard that a Lot
Mar 17, 2017 7:38PM PDT

But I still argue that Microsoft's privacy policy is not that much different than that of Google. They ALL spy on you and privacy is a dead issue regardless of what you do. The only way to have your privacy these days is to cut all of the wires going to your computer. Starting with the power cord. True, as many point out, few are FORCED to use Google while Microsoft is the OS.

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There are Win7 computers that can't handle Win10
Mar 17, 2017 6:21PM PDT

I for one had 2 Acer Aspire REVO units that took to the first Win10 upgrade, but when the next major upgrade (1607) failed to upgrade. I do believe this is a market strategy to a certain extent, following in the footsteps of Apple with their OSx program that obsoletes mid 2009 and earlier Macbooks with their newest release of Sierra. (There are a lot of similarities between Win10 and OSx gadgets and interfaces.)

I just bought a used Macbook to learn the OS, as I am knowledgeable on Windows, and very familiar with Linux, so that is the source of my opinion.

Apple of course in very interested in having their users buy new hardware. MS only has a limited stake in that market, but with the advent of the Windows online store and hardware sales, that may be changing. This is just a guess on my part based upon my experience.

By the way, if you want to use your laptop, I suggest you download a linux distro, like Linux Mint 18.1. Burn the .iso to a DVD, and install an inexpensive hard disk or SSD replacing you existing drive. Then install Linux Mint. You will find it very familiar, and if you need office software it has it already installed.

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MS and Hardware
Mar 17, 2017 7:13PM PDT

Microsoft has always been into pushing the latest hardware. They DO have a stake in it! The stake is they are going to be adding so much stuff to Windows, you are going to need newer and more powerful hardware to make Windows run fast enough. This had been going on since the first releases of Windows. Remember the "netbook revolution"? It was when people were more interested in lighter and smaller portable computing rather than power. We had the part where the manufacturers were creating laptops that would almost send you to the hospital if you tried to keep those "on your lap" Happy Microsoft lashed out at everyone! They said that people should NOT ever buy these things but to wait for the new slim "ultrabooks" that Intel was going to come out with. The Netbooks required a small OS such as XP and many could not do Win 7. I still have an Aspire One running XP and can't find any new drivers for it. In order to add new features/technology (unless they hire really sharp assembler programmers), hardware has to advance and they have a stake in forcing people to buy new hardware. Plus, with every NEW OS, the suppliers of devices are required to make new drivers so both hardware and software go hand in hand.

I agree with the rest. Too bad Apple hardware seems so expensive and you're not allowed to open the case without invalidating your warranty. Not that you can go out and buy a lot of your off-the-shelf components at the store.

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Ditto
Mar 18, 2017 5:42PM PDT
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Close but no cigar
Mar 25, 2017 3:28AM PDT

Linux is not ready, and I suspect will never be ready, for prime time.

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Linux is ready
Mar 25, 2017 8:30AM PDT

It's just some people aren't ready for it. It actually is the backbone OS of the internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Operating_systems_used_on_top_500_supercomputers.svg

Of course many may end up using a spinoff of Linux, since it's already larger in use than Windows, and that'sAndroid.

"Linux kernel

Android's kernel is based on one of the Linux kernel's long-term support (LTS) branches. Since April 2014, Android devices mainly use versions 3.4, 3.10 or 3.18 of the Linux kernel.[143][144] The specific kernel version depends on the actual Android device and its hardware platform;[145][146][147] Android has used various kernel versions since the version 2.6.25 that was used in Android 1.0"

Android has the largest installed base of any mobile operating system and, since 2013, the highest-selling operating system overall[288][291][301][302][303] with sales in 2012, 2013 and 2014[304] close to the installed base of all PCs


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
"Different categories of computers use a wide variety of operating systems (OS). Windows gained majority usage share in the 1990s, on desktops (the computer platform then taking over), eventually described as "dominant" (and still has a majority as a "desktop OS") but is not dominant across all platforms (while latest version runs on all platforms). On smartphones, Android is dominant by any metric; its installed base is 1.8 billion,[6] which tops Windows on PCs. No operating system has a clear majority across all platforms or all regions; as judged by web use – a proxy for all use – Android has almost caught up with Windows, when counted across all platforms and regions. Android is the highest ranked OS in most countries of the world......Since 2013, devices running Android have been selling more than Windows, iOS and macOS devices combined."

Yes, windows 10 has revealed it's time to begin writing the epitath of windows.

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Linux has been ready for a long time
Mar 25, 2017 2:40PM PDT

People just don't want to learn a new OS. The fault is not with Linux. It really is superior to Windows, but it does take a few weeks to figure out how it works so that you can get it to do what you do on Windows. You had to learn Windows exactly the same way.

The main problem is that the programs we have spent a lot of money on often do not run on Linux because the demand to make a Linux version has not been there. This can often (but not always) be overcome, but once again it is up to the user to find out how, just as it is up to the user to find out how to make Windows do what you want it to.

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Ready?
Mar 26, 2017 4:17AM PDT

First I'm not bashing Linux. What i am saying though is that it's not ready for everyone. What with all the typing, sudo commands etc. reminds me alot of windows 3.1. I've used the live cd, created a dual boot of linux and windows, tried several versions of linux and came to the conclusion that I was spending way to much time on the computer. What made me go back to windows and forget linux was when I couldn't find a driver for my sound card. Only one speaker out of 3 worked. Trivial yes, but very frustrating. Also I think that you'd have to have a photographic memory or a book with a list of all the commands or spend hours on the internet trying to find answers to your questions. If you like all that then go for it. However the average user won't go to all the trouble. It's not ready for prime time IMHO.

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don't get trapped in Terminal
Mar 26, 2017 7:24AM PDT

or Konsole as called in KDE. Most time it's totally unnecessary. It finds it's use mostly when having a problem, consulting a linux forum, and rather than someone telling you all the GUI steps to find the info they need to help you, they use the shortcut of Terminal commands instead. For instance, I can get most info I want by having someone running a simple Terminal command like

inxi -v7


To tell them how to find all that info by GUI would be a pain, sort of like telling windows users how to find all the info needed, which is why some programs like Belarc and Speccy were created for windows users.

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Choices when Win 10 upgrade fails
Mar 24, 2017 4:55PM PDT

I've been running Linux Mint 18.1 on one of my computers and the only outside software I purchased is called Crossover and it is made by Codeweavers. It runs WINE2.0 and you install any Windows program you want through the interface and it runs great within Linux. In my case I have some weather station software I like and want to run but it was never written in Linux. I just got the latest version of Crossover and it works fine. They have a list of Windows based software on their web site that has been fully tested and integrated. By the way I'm using sata drives in this computer and it was a miserable disaster when I tried upgrading the Win 7 drive to Win 10 so I rolled it back and have tested Linux Mint since then.

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ACER on Windows 10
Mar 24, 2017 5:24PM PDT

I have an ACER R3610 that with some effort converted from Windows 7 to the build of Windows 10 current up to the time the free upgrade ended. It would not upgrade to build 1067, just kept trying to download the 3Gb installation endlessly.
My fix was to clear all files and sub-directories in C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download and finally the update installed. Much frustration and swearing went on during the process to find the solution that worked for me.

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Likeminded
Mar 24, 2017 5:36PM PDT

Linux has indeed come along way since its beginnings. Like you, I'm quite familiar with Linux too as I've used at least six distros on and off since 2009 on old second-hand computers purchased off a well-known website from time to time. All the distros performed satisfactorily and adequately and are speedier than Windows, to my mind.

On the whole, however, I find Microsoft Windows operating systems to be a tad more versatile and multi-faceted so far as general operation is concerned, but unlike the Linux distros, they are prone to the occasional freeze-up and crash (black screen) often necessitating a reboot which I've experienced with pretty well every Microsoft Windows edition up to now including Windows 10.

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Win7 Computers that can't handle Win10
Mar 24, 2017 6:37PM PDT

I refused to upgrade my laptop to Win10 and soldered on. It is 9 years old and battery will no longer hold charge. Started a job that required in home presentation and I knew mine was too old and bulky so bought a used small notebook from a reliable source with Win10 on it. He even warned my I might not like it and he was right. It failed on first attempt since it was constantly updating itself and I could not get anything done. Took it back and bought same model with Win7 and no problems since!

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I agree with many of the responses.....
Mar 17, 2017 6:35PM PDT

...that Windows 7 is by far preferable to Windows 10. In fact, Win 10 gave us so many glitches that we bought "new" PC's (new old stock) that had Win 7 on them, just so we could remain productive. Win 10 is NOT all it's hyped up to be, and we far prefer Win 7. Just so much better on all levels for us.....