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Everyone 'plays' things they can to their advantage
May 4, 2006 5:45AM PDT

That's not limited to left, right, or even extremists. That happens anytime people are trying to gain an edge or advantage over someone else.

It happens running for PTA head, church offices, team captains, national politics, and international politics and war.

When it comes to the Islamofascists I don't think the traditional left to right spectrum we are used to in the West applies directly.

Probably not, not even sure when you apply left to right spectrum for the entire world it applies. But left does meet right when you go far enough to reach totalitarism, and it really doesn't matter that much how you got there then.

IMO.


Roger

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I don't think Osama is left wing...
May 3, 2006 5:07AM PDT

That's not what I'm saying. He's playing the left wing because they suit his purposes.

I'm not saying the lefties have the same ideology as he does; only that their wishes and desires coincide on certain points, vis-a-vis the West and the war on terrorism. As Gore Vidal said, ''the war on terror is like the war on dandruff.'' It suits al Qaida's purposes to have folks not committed to fighting them or who don't see them as a threat.

When it comes to the Islamofascists I don't think the traditional left to right spectrum we are used to in the West applies directly.

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Bin Laden right wing. You bet he is Josh!
May 4, 2006 4:49PM PDT

He's even more neo-con than the current administration, if possible.

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Oh, and this writer really ought to check his facts a bit
May 2, 2006 11:47PM PDT

The name of the book is "My Pet Goat," not "The Pet Goat" and Fahrenheit 9/11 does not open with the footage of Bush reading the book. That footage appears in the middle of the film.

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Oh, that's crucial...
May 3, 2006 12:02AM PDT

Focus on a children's book, but ignore the essential thrust of the article. You have to admit he has a good point.

Happen to notice those "jihadists " in the recent lefty demonstrations? Who is on whose side?

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It's basic fact-checking, Ed
May 3, 2006 12:16AM PDT

But this writer obviously wasn't concerned with facts anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.

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He got the name of a children's book wrong...
May 3, 2006 12:21AM PDT

by ONE WORD!!!!

Jeez! You gotta do better than that to dispute the premise of what he is saying!

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One premise was that Osama was making references.....
May 3, 2006 1:16AM PDT

.....to Michael Moore. He has done no such thing.

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Hahaha
May 3, 2006 1:44AM PDT

No, just a coincidence that they BOTH use the same rhetoric.

How about the OTHER references that you conveniently ignore? There's no doubt that Osama knows the western media and is using it to influence the West. And he's using the arguments of the left to appeal to the left.

That's the point of the article. Osama knows what the weakest link of the West is-- liberals.

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Same rhetoric is collusion?
May 3, 2006 4:47AM PDT

Shrug, while I often disagre with Josh's viewpoints, I fail to see how More and Osama both using rhetoric that probably was copied by both of them from another source proves collusion.

Heck, the enemy of my enemy rule can even account for phraselogy coincidences.


Roger

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Not collusion..
May 3, 2006 5:10AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Fact checking? In an opinion piece? Not so much.
May 3, 2006 2:47AM PDT
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Why not?
May 3, 2006 4:05AM PDT

If you're going to opine on something, shouldn't you have your facts straight? If he'd actually seen Fahrenheit 9/11 he'd know where that footage appears.

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Not everybody memorized it like you did...
May 3, 2006 4:33AM PDT

The basic premise of the article is solid. You can nitpick at the tiniest details all you want.

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I didn't memorize it
May 3, 2006 12:44PM PDT

I saw it once, which is clearly one more time than this writer saw it.

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You just don't get it
May 3, 2006 12:55PM PDT

That's not important (if you're right, which I doubt). What's important is that Osamsa is using the nonsesnse of the left to try to affect the way we act. He's found a natural, if unintended ally in liberals.

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C'mon Ed
May 4, 2006 1:50AM PDT

Do you really think Osama bin Laden is going to affect the way we act, regardless of who he references or quotes?

Fahrenheit 9/11 opens with footage from the 2000 elections and the Florida business. It doesn't even get to 9/11 until at least 15 minutes into the film, maybe later (it's been awhile since I saw it).

The larger point is that bin Laden did not reference Michael Moore as the writer suggested. He referenced some news footage that had been in circulation for some time before Michael Moore ever put it in his film.

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No, the larger point is....
May 4, 2006 2:00AM PDT

that Osama sense the weakness of the West is its left wing. Of course he believes that what he says may affect what we do. And look, the nonsense from the left IS having an effect, which just happens to be the effect Osama desires.

Focussing on silly minutiae is ridiculous, Josh. Who gives a crap whether he saw Farenheit 9/11 ever, once or over and over. Who knows? He may own the DVD. IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!

The article's point is correct and undeniable.Enough already.

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Focussing on silly minutiae is ridiculous,
May 4, 2006 2:09AM PDT

There ya go!

Now, you just have to decide who's definition of minutiae you will use.

Since it's your decision, I'm guessing you'll use your's

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If the article is so correct....
May 4, 2006 2:40AM PDT

....why did the writer have to make stuff up in order to illustrate his point? Weren't there enough facts to back it up?

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He didn't make anything up...
May 4, 2006 5:00AM PDT

he got a few insignificant details wrong. Surely you understand that.

If his point is wrong, why don't you argue against THAT?

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He claimed....
May 4, 2006 5:09AM PDT

...that bin Laden has been making references to Michael Moore. He has not.

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I don't know how many times you are going to miss the point
May 4, 2006 5:16AM PDT

but it's become annoying. If you can't address the real issue instead of focussing on meaningless details, there's nothing more to say.

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The point is that he was trying to back up his assertion....
May 4, 2006 7:38AM PDT

.....about "the Left" with at least one false statement. In fact, if you read his article he even basically admits it's a false statement.

So, to paraphrase him, "bin Laden is appealing to the Left, as evidenced by his making references to Michael Moore. OK, well not exactly."

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Josh, it is clear and undeniable that Osama...
May 4, 2006 7:50AM PDT

is using the rhetoric, sources, literature, etc. of the current left. You can't squirm away from it with this silly nonsense.

Your objections are trivial in the extreme. Just be honest and admit it.