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Is it still a good idea to use both Spybot & Lavasoft?

by zeebell / July 17, 2008 1:43 PM PDT

Windows XP w/SP3 IE 7
Compac PresarioProcessor - 2.40 gigahertz
AMD Athlon64Memory - 1.37GB of Ram
200 GB hard drive

I use both Spybot S&D and also Lavasoft AdAware on my PC. Today when using AdAware, I did updates the normal and it updated a new version. It uninstalled the old one and then installed the new version automatically.

Tonight when running Spybot, a dialogue box popped up with the following:

If you have the AdAware option to scan inside archives enabled, AdAware may find files in the Spybot-S&D folder. Spybot-S&D does not contain any spyware, but it creates backups of everything you fix (until you remove those backups from the Recovery list), and AdAware complains about these backups. You can safely ignore these backups found by AdAware

So my question is -- it is still a good idea to use both of these programs as there are now incompatibilities with them? Seems like these software companies are becoming an incompatibility factory -- e.g., AVG8.0 incompatible with Spybot and Spyware blaster; and probably more than I'm aware of.

How do I remove backups from the Recovery List? Do I do that in Spybot?

I use CCleaner as well -- maybe I could do without Lavasoft ?? Any ideas out there please.

Thanks,

Julea

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Hi, Julia!! I'm, by far, Not The Be All....
by tobeach / July 17, 2008 4:38 PM PDT

of un-biased opinion, as you know. I'm currently using the new Spybot 1.6 which is working as I expect it to (far,far better than 1.52)along
with AAW SE (old) being manually updated & there's no problem w/ these two. I'm still hesitating on going to newer AAW.

In Spybot 1.6, you can get rid of the back-ups by clicking "Recovery" and selecting to "Purge Selected Items". Just select all items first.

I would suggest perhaps doing S&D scan & IF items found wait a few days before purging, then do a AAW immediately after. Hopefully there should be nothing for AAW to find. I believe you could also de-select AAW's "scan within archives" but I suspect the former would be the safer bet in the long run.

I, like you, am very concerned with this " me,me,me & only me" trend in protectors that's abounding now. Unfortunately (or not) as these programs become less specialist & more encompassing they will likely step on each other's toes. I have this sneaking suspicion that it doesn't HAVE to be this way (they played fine together for a decade)
BUT in SOME cases this is also being driven by increasing greed or from fear that if they don't eat others to get bigger, they'll get eaten (see Symantec's & MS's history of devouring competitors). Often done just to get them out of the market.

Since you use IE, IF I had to give up one or the other, I give up Adaware since it's the one creating the conflict & Spybot has always wanted to co-operate & does still today. It has it's Immunize & SD Bad Download blocker(BHO)& (lockable)hosts file & Home & Start pages to give some protection for IE as well as some other browsers. S&D has engendered my highest trust level far beyond any other software(s) so far. Not the biggest, nor the most extensive BUT truly on your side!

I'm recalling how S&D & AAW ,when both faced with legal threats by bad actors to get themselves de-listed from scans, had 2 different methods. AAW simply dropped the extortionists from scan without notice to clients(our profits are now safe...screw you users!).

Spybot excluded them from default scan by listing them w/ an "ignore" check mark that the user/client could remove at his(our) sole option in order to return the item to scan for removal. Thereby covering themselves & allowing us the option of protecting ourselves as it should be. Between the 2, THAT was THE defining moment for me.

Having seen how new versions are often incompatible with various machines causing severe problems, I reserve the right to decide What & When items/versions get on to my machines. Too often we're being used a Beta version 2 mass guinea pigs to our detriment & expense. I also object most strenuously to the idea that "it's our software so we can us it to put anything we like on your machine!!".

Unfortunately AVG recent behavior seems like an earlier Symantec's isolationist climb up the ladder. See also "Trustworthy Computing" below).JMHO.

There is another consideration, going on in the background, which many average users are probably not aware of which is this trend to
"Trustworthy Computing" where I suspect it'll end up with the declaration that :This software is safe(for us makers), therefore you are safe because we say so!!!! I am the God MS, I am the God Symantec, I am the God of Good Government, I am ...(fill in the blank). Enron & Contras anyone?? I don't & won't trust any of them that much, Thank you very much!! End of paranoid rant!

Opinions expressed are solely my own delusions & I don't expect others to necessarily follow BUT it works for me as I've never, in the 7+ years since getting it, had to re-install or repair install XP.
(where's some REAL wood to knock on??)! Enjoy!! Sandy. Grin

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Thanks for the input Sandy.
by zeebell / July 17, 2008 11:22 PM PDT

Like you, I've not had to reinstall or repair XP -- or 98SE --- and hope not to ever have that need. My scans very rarely ever find anything, and I love being congratulated by Spybot. Thanks for you input on this matter. At least I have something to go on now.

Julea

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Spybot
by Donna Buenaventura / July 18, 2008 1:29 PM PDT

SpywareBlaster and Spybot-S&D are good to keep because they have the list of products that it can detect. Quite useful as reference and we can choose which one they will always try to detect and scan. It is best to review the "Products" to detect by Spybot and make sure nothing is 'checked' (bypass for scanning)

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Thanks Donna
by zeebell / July 18, 2008 2:20 PM PDT
In reply to: Spybot

Long time no see -- good to see you Donna.

I did run Spybot today and while there, looked under the recovery part -- there was nothing there. I do still have Spybot, Ad-aware, Spyware Blaster, AVG8.0 and Ccleaner in place.

During our monthly computer club meeting Monday night we had a question panel -- I was sure surprised to hear what they had to say about AVG these days -- as for the experts on that panel, it's going by the wayside. They discussed how people brought PC's in for repair who had AVG installed on their PC. When running at repair shop, viruses and tons of malware was always discovered.

My thought was -- did the people keep their definitions up to date or is AVG really that bad anymore. I still have it, but do wonder about it with all the hearsay.

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Recovery in SS&D
by Donna Buenaventura / July 18, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
In reply to: Thanks Donna

>>>I did run Spybot today and while there, looked under the recovery part -- there was nothing there. I do still have Spybot, Ad-aware, Spyware Blaster, AVG8.0 and Ccleaner in place.

Should not have anything there Julea, if SSD have not deleted any files after the scans.

>>> During our monthly computer club meeting Monday night we had a question panel -- I was sure surprised to hear what they had to say about AVG these days -- as for the experts on that panel, it's going by the wayside. They discussed how people brought PC's in for repair who had AVG installed on their PC. When running at repair shop, viruses and tons of malware was always discovered.

My thought was -- did the people keep their definitions up to date or is AVG really that bad anymore. I still have it, but do wonder about it with all the hearsay.


AVG detection is good but not better than the other freeware antivir or avast.
I don't think AVG is bad. It's light and simple to use which most users will really like.
If they are using AVG Free, they should note that AVG Free is limited to detect only virus, trojan and spyware. It cannot detect rootkit'ed malware or rootkits.
The other free Antivirus is capable of detecting those.

Depends also on how the AVG free user use their computer and how their AVG Free is set-up. Many things to mention but I don't think AVG is to blame.

>>>Long time no see -- good to see you Donna.
Thanks and Yes, it's good to be around. On and off though means busy with other stuff but I'm still online Happy

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(NT) I appreciate you Donna - thanks!
by zeebell / July 18, 2008 3:30 PM PDT
In reply to: Thanks Donna
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You're Most Welcome, Julea! Appologise 4 Mis-spell
by tobeach / July 18, 2008 3:07 PM PDT

of your name in previous post! Do wish new Spybot would give easy disable/hide for the "tip of the day" or at least download say 7 different tips w/ each update so they could rotate each time a scan was run ! Wink

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(NT) No problem -- I'm used to it (LOL).
by zeebell / July 18, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
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