Is It Possible to Run Your Car on Water?

I have been doing research on HHO for almost 4 and a half years. I am now seeing some damage done to injectors and other parts in the fuel system.

The Electrolyte is the problem. Even bubblers cannot stop the migration of the chemicals into the fuel injection system. When using baking soda, sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide with dihydrogen monoxide, you get a chemical mix that was not meant to be put into a fuel system.

As of yesterday, a test car a friend of mine was using to test out an HHO system got 2 MPG less mileage than without the system. It has been on for over two months and has not responded well to HHO. It runs poorly and we found corrosion damage to the fuel system along with blocked injectors when we tore the engine down last night.

My 1991 Honda CRX HF is now HHO free. I removed the system because while it did generate a lot of gas, it did not improve mileage. The car runs much better without the system. And I do not have to keep an eye on the darned thing all the time. No more worrying about it overheating. No more having to carry distilled water around in the car. I don't have to worry about the darned thing freezing up in the winter.

I have yet to see anyone get mileage gains advertised.

I would expect that applying lye's to most any material will cause corrosion. The people that are useing the lye materials such as sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide are the folks who;s only concern is to try and produce as much Hydrogen gas as possible, thinking that the more HHO gas they can produce the better their systems will work. Not to even mention that their are other electrolite materials that are far safer to handle than the lye's and not near as corrosive. If you dont mine cleaning out your hho coverters, simple well water will produce sufficient hho gas to compliment you fossel fuel engine. As with any chemical composition, there is a balance that must be achieved before satisfactory results can be expected. While the more is better might work on a totaly hydrogen dependant engine, you must remember that most of the hho conversions are also using fossil fuel. this fuel is regulated thru carburation or injection to meet the precise needs of the engine. To much and fuel economy suffers and pollution increases. To little and you dont reach the maxium effiecient power the engine is capable of produceing. To reach maxium effiecientcy with the hho conversion, the amount of hho gas produced must coincide with the amount necessary for engine performance. In order for this to happen, you must have some way to regulate how much hho is being produced, and be able to vary that amount according to the consumpion of the engine. To do this you must be able to vary voltage according to throttle input. The varying of the voltage will increase or decrease hho production according to the current demand of the engine. Simply makeing hho at a set rate or amount and introduceing that amount into the fuel system thru the intake manifold is guaranteed to produce harmful side effects.

Firt off, the hydrogen doesnt come in contact with injectors. For somone who "has been researching" you dont know *** your talking about. Shut up and stop spreading mis-information idot.

Dangit, I call you an idiot and I misspell the word. Oh well, thats whay I get. Anyways Steve, your wrong. You have implied that the Hydrogen mixes with the fuel system and that is total BS. The Hydrogen is injected into the manifold or airbox. NaOH and KOH are not part of the electrolysis process and therefor dont migrate from the water. You really need to stop spreading lies. People need help at the gas pumps these days and hydrogen is a good way to save some money. Hopefully the people who read this thread will also read other threads. Read this one for starters http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=74b15465-2ebb-49e0-acb1-939c4bb13a28

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen-gas-savers/hixon-autoplex-installing-hydrogen-generators-for-cars/

The HHO gas and all the other contaminants come into contact with the inectors in two possible places depending on where the injector injects the fuel.

On some cars, the injectors spray the fuel directly at the intake valve. Right there the air is mixed with fuel.
On other systems, the injectors are in the combustion chamber. In either case, the air and fuel do mix near the injector tip.

The air with the contaminants mix at that point. The business end of the injector, which is really just a real tiny spray hole with an electronically actuated needle valve, gets contaminated from the HHO gas with caustic soda when the mixture is swirling around that area.

It does not take a whole lot of contamination to mess up an injector.
There is a blowback factor even if the injector is recessed to prevent such happenings.

As far as the HHO not being part of the fuel system, well air is part of the fuel system. It is a subset of the fuel air system. No air, no burning of fuel. Oxygen, nitrogen and other trace gases are part of the fuel system. The manifold is part of the fuel system. So putting contaminated HHO into the air box or manifold IS modifying the fuel system.

Sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide is a very needed part of the electrolysis system. Using just tap water or spring water results in a build up of sludge in the HHO unit and causes a short to develop in the unit. So using distilled water is a must. The purer the better.

Running just water is not a good answer. Far less output of HHO is what you get when running just tap or well water.

Caustic lye is needed because it allows for free flow of electrons in distilled water which is actually has insulating properties due to its purity and lack of minerals which resists the free flow of electrons needed to facilitate the release of hydrogen and oxygen. Caustic lye also allows for cleaner running of the HHO unit.

The problem with caustic lye or any other chemical being used as a carrier in the electrolyte is the problem of contamination. Bubblers help but do not totally remove the problem.

You've said in your last post that I am lying. I ask you to provide evidence that what I have been posting is wrong.

Yes people need help at the pumps. But I have yet, I repeat, I have yet to see the advantage of running HHO in a car. Not one case yet of scientific evidence that HHO gives you better mileage.

HHO makes a great torch. I built one myself and I love messing with it. It burns through steel real good and heats up things really quick. I even like making fireworks with balloons (makes real loud explosions !!!!)


I've had a little over four years of playing with HHO. I've made my own systems and have bought others. I've installed units my friends bought and so far every one of them is now sitting in a junk pile somewhere.

I have fried alternators powering some of them and destroyed batteries by asking for too much amperage. All in the name of saving gasoline. I've experimented with ideas put forth on the net and all to no gain.

Like I have said in previous postings. HHO is fun to experiment with.
It is not the answer to high gas prices other than to give a lot of gas money to people who sell this junk to others.

No major manufacturers are using HHO to help with combustion. There is a very compelling reason for that. It is not viable.
Believe me on this one. Car companies are always looking for ways to improve mileage. Especially now since gasoline and diesel are so high. And now with government mandates for improved fleet mileage, do you really think that a technology that promises so much would be ignored by FOrd or GM who are on the verge of going bankrupt because of high fuel prices? Think man...... think !!!!!!

Maybe you should change your posting name to CAUSTIC LYE.

I am at a loss.

All those links mention nothing....nothing about HHO generators installed in a car that runs off the voltage created by the alternator.

The technology that Honda, Toyota, GM and others are using is real. Not some mason jar and stainless steel wire with water hooked up to a battery BS that everyone is trying to sell.

I can give you tons of links to people who are selling this junk they call technology. They always give links to Honda or Toyota or GM that have nothing to do with HHO point use generators.

Get that?

Those links you gave mention nothing about the junk that people are selling as the answer to our gas problems. Those companies are working on hydrogen fuel cells that turn hydrogen into electricity and not the other way around.

Every HHO device I have seen converts water to hydrogen and oxygen with the application of current to plates which splits the water into its basic structure. Hydrogen and Oxygen. So far, no major corporation is using that supposed technology.

The fuel cells that all the car manufacturers are developing are fuel cells that convert to electricity. The electricity runs an electric motor. They are not supplementing an internal combustion engine with hydrogen.

I see some of these hucksters have a video of Jimmy Carter on their website. I'm really sure that Jimmy Carter is not selling HHO generators. I'm willing to bet he doesn't even know a video of himself is on those websites.

I see another website saying that if you buy their system, it is tax deductible. Nonsense. I've checked that out. The IRS says no way. They do not give tax deductions for mason jars filled with water with stainless steel wire held in place with a bungy cord.

You really are amazing. I would recommend that you put one of these units on your car. Let me know how well it works for you. If it gives you 25% better mileage, there is a guy who has the 1 million dollar HHO challenge. Enter your car in it and win a million.

I've messed with HHO long enough to know that it just does not work well enough to even make it worth while. I've also noticed that most of the HHO hucksters have left this C net discussion. I wonder why that is ????????

The fuel injectors in my friends Ford are aimed directly at the intake valves which have air and fuel. On some engines, the injectors work inside the combustion chamber. There is plenty of exposure to the injectors with anything you might be adding. If you introduce contaminants into the air, such as caustic soda or even baking soda, then you will have problems. Also problematic are the many sensors that are on many of today's engines coming in contact with contaminants.

We ran two bubblers to try to eliminate contamination and prevent explosions. It did help but he still got contamination in the second bubbler. He was having problems with idle and while driving so we looked at the injectors. They were contaminated with a frosty black layer of junk. The inside of the intake manifold was corroded along with some beginning damage to the manifold gasket. He never had that problem before using HHO. I did warn him to NOT put the HHO feed hose too close to the manifold and just put it before the air filter.
On my CRX, I installed the hose just before the manifold and started to have problems with driveability. So I moved the hose to just before the air filter and that seemed to help. Still did not see the massive increase in MPG that everyone who sells this stuff says they get.

You really do have to ask the question....Since most auto manufacturers are in dire straights right now because they cannot sell cars and trucks that get 20 MPG, then do you think that maybe, just maybe if this stuff really works that they would be all over this in a heartbeat? I have yet to see any manufacturer putting mason jars with wire in their cars. I have yet to see major trucking firms installing HHO in their trucks to save all that money everyone is saying they can save using this miraculous technology. I do see trucking companies going out of business because of high fuel prices. Gee, do ya think that they should be putting this junk in their trucks? I wonder why they have not been doing it. Could it just possibly be that it just plain does not work?

I have yet to read about Ford, GM, Honda, Chrysler or any other car companies engineers say this supposed technology really works so well that every car in the world must have it. Just hasn't happened. Probably never will.

That's been my experience the last 4 years of messing with this.


Calling someone an idiot is not very nice. Maybe you should read the terms of use before you post here again.

very strange that your "friend" is the only person that I have ever h eard of that has engine damage. You obviously didnt read the links I posted.

Really, you think that will work!!!!! Just by slowing down I can reduce my fuel consumption? Hows about I stop driving all together? Will that reduce my fuel consumption too? Smarty pants

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