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Internet Explorer survives only for backwards compatibility
If Microsoft could have cut Internet Explorer out of Windows 10 entirely, they might have. But too much corporate software still depends on ancient technologies like ActiveX (IE exclusive), Flash, and Java. IE is a savior if you need to run java applets, because Chrome dropped support about a year ago and Firefox is supposed to drop support any day now.
If you don't need IE for that special use case - ignore it. It does nothing for you.
As for Edge - what difference does it make? If you're having that much trouble with it, just don't use it - it doesn't really matter what browser you use, so long as it works for you, so use one of the ones that works, and don't worry about it. Edge doesn't seem to crash for me - but then, I rarely ever TRY it anywhere, because I'm in Firefox 90% of the time, and Chrome the other 10%. IE may bump up to 5% at work when Firefox fully drops java, but until then I don't touch it, either.
Sometimes it IS required
AFAIK and IMHO, Internet Explorer is still needed for three reasons only:
- At least one important international bank has an online interface that does not work with Google Chrome and indeed Internet Explorer is required.
- If you, even occasionally, upload webpages to a website of yours, you want to ensure that it is IE compatible: the only way to be sure is to have IE and view it there.
- The otherwise-excellent Canon i4950 printer comes with a very handy utility, "Easy-Web Print EX", allowing to extract from a webpage and produce a convenient printing on paper. This utility runs only in IE 32-bit.
Yes, I find it necessary at times
I agree that IE is needed for compatibility with some websites. For example, when I am at java.com and want to check which version I have to see if it is up to date, that won't work in Edge or Chrome. Also, Chrome isn't supported for Windows XP, which I still use on one of my machines. I actually really liked IE until they came out with Edge and pretty much are pushing you out of IE. I have found sometimes websites just don't respond right (don't look correct, or won't allow me to sign in, or whatever) and then I switch back to IE and everything for that site is OK. Of course, sometimes the opposite is true. Too many browsers out there and seems to me that they all have quirks. So you end up with 3 or 4 or 5 browsers on each machine. Seems silly, but necessary.
That is the result of unprofessional web designers
Web designers that design sites that are not browser agnostic (work on every browser) need to be fired. W3C standards agree with me. However, we users do not have the option to fire these unqualified people so we have to put up with it.
I rarely use MS browsers
By and large, I prefer Firefox, Chrome or Opera, but every now and then I run into a website that doesn't function correctly unless I use IE or Edge. I keep the MS one around for those situations, otherwise I use something else and only switch to IE or Edge when I have no other choice.
Will this add-on make Firefox work with sites designed for Active-X and other MS exclusives? I don't think Windows Update runs on Firefox but I don't know much about this add-on.
I don't know, but doubt it
It just fools the site into sending you their page for IE whereas they may have it set to refuse your browser otherwise.
The answer is no, it won't make things with IE/Edge only code like ActiveX work in othere browsers, QAs James said it just tells the server that you are running IE and the server then sends you a page of IE code. If the page is compatible with Chrome, etc., then it displays. Most likely, you will have blank sections and other errors.
For those of you who use Citrix, or any other IE-only browser plugin (usually for work), there is also the alternative of installing a Firefox/Chrome addon called IETab that allows you to run an internet explorer instance inside of a Firefox/Chrome tab.
Microsoft is losing the battle on this issue, and it's about time. They just don't make good browsers.
You can't remove the Microsoft browsers from Windows, but that's okay. You can have as many browsers on your system as you like. Once in a while I come across a site that needs IE (grrrr...), but I use Firefox almost exclusively.
I suggest that you experiment and find out which browser you like best. Make that one your default and just let the others sit there until you find a need for them. Internet Explorer has been the worst pick of the lot for a long time now, and I can't understand why anyone still uses it. Edge just doesn't fit the way most people work.
What is important is that you are as satisfied as possible with the browser you choose and feel comfortable using it.
I use IE
I use IE11 on windows 10 as it is the only browser that allows my lifetime paid for version of Roboforms 6 to work. I had a few crashes and then turned off all scripting. This seems to have fixed the crashing problem.
I use Roboform 6...
...and I use Firefox. It works fine. You need to install Roboform or an update to it after you have installed Firefox on your system. That way the installer puts the proper extension in place. You can get the extension separately, but I find that letting the Roboform installer put it in works more consistently.
I've been using FF + Roboform for years on XP and I'm using it with Firefox and Roboform (absolutely latest download) right now. No issues.
MS IE is not reliable, hasn't been for years
I stopped using Internet Explorers back with IE 6, for the same reason. I haven't looked back since or even thought of using it again. I'm a 100% Firefox user.
Is Internet Explorer even worth using anymore?
Internet Explorer is dramatically bad. I stopped using it at about IE6 I think and have been using Firefox since. And yes once in a while there are some little problems but nothing that can't be fixed.
IE just crashed before it was running at all!
So I agree with all the above, just don't use it anymore,it will save you a lot of trouble.
I also think MS doesn't put that much effort in their browser anymore. They know they lost the battle.
The correct question should be:
Was Internet Explorer EVER worth using? Although I as a web developer use it frequently as a testbed (along with my longtime default Firefox, and also Chrome, Opera, Safari, Edge, and a couple of 64-bit variants on Firefox), MSIE has always seemed clunky and difficult to configure to my liking.
Since the days of Mosaic and Netscape I have never seen any need, nor felt any desire, to default to anything but Firefox.
Keep IE away from me.
IE is part of Microsoft's attempt at world domination. I don't think I need to recount the history of dirty tricks used to try to make IE the standard for Windows users, but maybe some people don't know just how bad it's gotten.
My work uses Outlook as its internal email system. I have to use outlook and I have no other choice. This wouldn't be so bad, but for Microsoft's trickery in attempting to force people to use IE instead of Chrome or Firefox or whatever else. If I use a another browser, I'm forced to use "Outlook Light", which is a semi-disabled version of Outlook. So, I can't do basic things like flag an email. That super-advanced feature is only available if I use IE. Ridiculous.
BUT THEN, something MUCH WORSE also happens... As I said, I have to use Outlook for WORK. Obviously, these are important communications with my bosses, co-workers, etc. But since I insist on using a browser other than IE, Microsoft sees fit to punish me in a truly insidious way: some of my messages DO NOT APPEAR on Outlook on either Firefox or Chrome. These have been, most often, direct emails sent to me and only me by my boss and some other people in my organization. These emails don't go to my spam folder, and it's not that they were never sent. They DO appear on my iPhone! Microsoft hasn't figured out how to defeat that email system, yet.
Now before you Microsoft fanboys get all excited and assume that I'm just an Apple zealot, I'm far from that. I hate Apple too, for many reasons that I won't go into here.
Microsoft is directly and, I think, deliberately screwing up my job. But I won't give in to IE. It's terrible. It's always been a virus gateway - Microsoft finally admitted as much about three years ago when they themselves warned people not to use it. Plus, I just really hate being forced into choices I wouldn't otherwise make.
Outlook Has Nothing to do with your Browser
You must be talking about OWA Outlook Web Access for Microsoft Exchange. Outlook is a stand-alone email client.
Outlook vs. Outlook dot com
Yes, Outlook as it is contained inside of the MS Office suite is a program that resides on your own hard drive and connects to the internet via POP access to download your e-mail to your computer, itself.
However, what seeharmony seems to be talking about is MS's on line email service [confusingly] by the same name.
You and CSRTech are both correct, I was pointing out that you can only reliably see all of your messages and do fantastical things like flag an email if you view the online Outlook email on an IE browser. This seems just a tad wrong to me.
see the usage stats
see the following for browser usage
personally I do not even have ie installed in three of my computers. I mainly use firefox but since netflix and amazon prime does not work "out of the box" in it, I have to use chrome for those sites.
Looks like IE and Firefox have been the major losers and Chrome the winner.Been using Chrome for years on my IMAC.
Chrome by Google
In the past whenever you used ANY Google product you had 2 lines open, one to the website you wanted to visit and one "hot line" to Google central!! "IF" they changed, so will I BUT I don't think they have!
...I refuse to use Chrome. period. Google is evil. People either forget that or they are ignorant of that fact.
Google has always been up front about what they do to pay for their "free" services. Not even the government of a medium sized country could *give* that much service without t"axing" their users. They tell you what they are doing and how hey are doingit and it is up to you to deecide whether you want to consume their servic3es. Nothing Evi l in that at all. Now if they forced you to ... ahem ... "eat their dog food" and denied you choice, that would be monopolistic and Evil. Now, OOC,and back on topic, if you don't use IEor Chrome, what do you use?
Google makes a ton of bucks but you can't do that if everything one considers a "product" is free of charge. My concern was professional in that I was in an environment that was based on the Criminal Justice Information System rules (CJIS) and HIPAA and other federal legal privacy aspects so we were unable to use Google services. And then I made a personal decision not to use Google. Others can do or not do what they want but, if they are going to trust their detailed personal lives to ANY website, they really owe it to themselves to look this stuff up rather then assume "oh, Google would never do such a thing".
I've never been able to uninstall IE. You can remove latest versions but you are always left with the base version that came with your version of OS. (I'm not doubting you, but it really takes talent to remove every version of it from your PC). Do you have a procedure that some of us can follow?
That was an old XP trick..
People thought by removing it as a feature it would. magically go away, but it was still in the depths of the operating system, and I don't think it has been a choice for years, although maybe you can still disable it in "turn Windows features on and off". If you don't keep Internet Explorer totally updated, you will still be vulnarable by malware attack, that is just a fact of life!!