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Is Donald Trump a Russian spy?

Dec 10, 2016 2:02AM PST

Why else all those help from Rusland: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.dcd238da44cc

Or is he just a crypto-communist? No better disguise for a communist than being a billionaire. And why should a real capitalist billionaire be concerned about the wellbeing of American workers? That's kind of having opposite interests. Seems fishy, to say the least.

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I've explained trinity before.
Dec 23, 2016 9:47PM PST

Think "light". If you have 3 separate flashlights, you can shine two or three at the same spot on a wall and you can't see any distinction in the spot on that wall, so it's like one single light. So, those who dwell in light, are like the light, and those who dwell in darkness refuse to come to that light, and often tell lies about it. Three in one, a trinity.

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Maybe a better analogy
Dec 24, 2016 3:01AM PST

A father or mother show themselves as different persons to their children. They are teachers, breadwinners, and givers of love and moral guidance. For each purpose, a parent may show a different face to their children and will speak from a different level. The parent may stand over the child as an authority or the parent may kneel in front of the child and talk to them face-to-face. If the parent is effective in their teaching and showing of love, the vision of the parent is with the child constantly offering guidance even in their absence. Here you have the parent presenting as an authority, a peer, and as a "spirit".

It would be easy enough to draw a picture of a three-headed parent with each head expressing a different roll. Humans sometimes need those visuals to improve their understanding of their own thoughts.

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(NT) Two replies; still no correct answer to
Dec 24, 2016 3:59PM PST
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my simple question.
Dec 24, 2016 4:02PM PST

The lack of which perpetuates James' lie. And we all know how SE'ers feel about lies and liars. 'An abomination before the LORD', right?

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Question?
Dec 24, 2016 4:15PM PST

You responded to my message and my response was to James and not to whatever question you might have asked. I hope you can accept that, unless you wrote the test, you might not be the best person to grade the papers. Even then, the material from which the test is derived might have flaws or be open to debate as to its accuracy.

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as nasty as you wanna be?
Dec 24, 2016 7:21PM PST

Jude 1:26 in NWT???

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Aha! The old Jude 1:26 gambit!
Dec 31, 2016 3:22AM PST

I have no response to that. Just to drive the last nail in my coffin before everyone, please quote that verse and show how it firmly establishes your doctrine. And while you're at it, please quote also the opening words of Jude Chapter 1, so we'll know you're using an acceptable Bible. (Warning: Do NOT use the NWT; we'll spot that in a second!)
(I'm sorry I didn't notice your post earlier.)

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Please quote the scripture.
Dec 31, 2016 8:33PM PST

With so many translations, who can even know for sure which one you are using and the NWT isn't an alternate on many biblical "alternate translation" sites.

Or so someone once said. So, Jude 1:26 says ...?
And your eyes are better than mine. I haven't seen the NWT used by ANY other such sites.

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From Catch 22:
Dec 21, 2016 9:59PM PST

"Your prose is too prolix."

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It would seem...
Dec 14, 2016 6:31PM PST

....a large part of this is due to the NWT being used instead of a qualified true translation of the scriptures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHnBN4oMSoI

Still, I don't see why a secular govt would or should be so concerned about that particular anomaly since there seems to be no actions from it directed toward the govt itself.

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Perhaps there is greater fear
Dec 15, 2016 2:46AM PST

from that which we don't understand than from that we do understand. From what I've read, secular governments have been at odds with religious teachings of all kinds from the very beginning. Some governments, those of royalty in particular, were able to take advantage of religion and use it for their own purposes. Since they had no other way to establish their reason for being. Example; the divine right of kings. Some such as Hitler were able to use the various religious beliefs in their own countries to turn people against one another rather than unite against them. Did you catch any of the subtle attempts during this last election to do similar?...including a call for changes within church teachings to fit a social agenda? I certainly did.

That which is well understood can be controlled and manipulated. That which we fail to control and manipulate can be seen as a threat.

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“Some governments, those of royalty in particular,
Dec 15, 2016 2:45PM PST

were able to take advantage of religion and use it for their own purposes.” The history of the RCC is one of contending with European rulers for the right to appoint local Bishops. Usually the Church compromised out of fear of being suppressed completely in a country. (This is from the Catholic Encyclopedia on newadvent.org; citations on request.) This is the key to the current problem Rome has with China.

“a call for changes within church teachings to fit a social agenda”. We’re a progressive organization which changes gradually in response to increased understanding of the Bible and prophecy. (Pr 4:18; Ps 36:9) We follow Jehovah’s agenda, not any man’s.

“secular governments have been at odds with religious teachings of all kinds from the very beginning.” Indeed. Gen 2: ‘Don’t eat of that tree.’ Gen 3: ‘I will if I want to.’ Then Gen 1: ‘Go, fill the earth...’ Gen 11: 'Come,' they said, 'let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top reaching heaven. Let us make a name for ourselves, so that we do not get scattered all over the world.'
So of course we’re feared by governments especially the despotic ones.

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Types of struggles
Dec 15, 2016 3:25PM PST

There are struggles for power.
There are struggles for acceptance.
There are struggles for mere survival.

Sometimes a resolution to a struggle requires compromise. That compromise, ideally, should be made to ensure that the greater good is served rather than the greater evil. It does not mean that no evil can ever be tolerated.

Put on your own oxygen mask before helping your neighbors. This is not a selfish act. You are no good to anyone if you cannot, yourself, breathe properly.

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BTW
Dec 15, 2016 3:35PM PST

Don't get too hung up on my use of the word "evil" in the sense of God's definition or man's. It's one of our struggles.

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How evil is the theft of one fruit?
Dec 15, 2016 6:49PM PST

By your standard? By mine? By Jehovah's?

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depends on whether HE....
Dec 16, 2016 4:04AM PST

...puts his finger on one side of the scale or not. You did read about the scales of judgement didn't you? Good deeds on one side, evil on the other? It takes a lot to fall from grace.

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Jehovah IS uncompromising.
Dec 15, 2016 6:21PM PST

One command, one act of disobedience; Gen 3. St. John said "Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever." Only the will of God. No exceptions. He also said

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John also said
Dec 15, 2016 6:46PM PST

"For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome," (just before he said, "Stupid phone!").
Jehovah is our creator, so he alone is qualified to make the rules. A myth has grown up that He is the grumpy killer of sinners while Jesus is the warm and fuzzy forgiver. The Bible- the truth- is quite different. Which is why so many need Bible study, which is why we offer it.
Has your Church not told you these necessary things?

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Would you not agree that The Bible
Dec 16, 2016 2:20AM PST

contains both law and suggestions for good living? I do but some may interpret these as one in the same. Many of these suggestions are ways to avoid temptation, or as our church has called them "The near occasions of sin". The camel/eye of the needle is a good example that's often misinterpreted. Our interpretation is that the more wealthy face temptations that the less wealthy don't. It does not mean that wealth alone is sinful.

As to dwelling on such sermons as "Sinners in the hands of an angry God", we don't do that and we say that too many do. I can only repeat what I've said here many times which is that there is no way to be frightened into heaven. Jesus spoke much about love and his own love for his disciples...something about no greater love has no man than this.... As you know, we consider Jesus as "one in being" with God...or the newer term, "consubstantial". You don't buy that, I realize but the end result is the same which is that God is more about being loving than being full of wrath.

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Steven, there's an old Church joke.
Dec 16, 2016 4:32PM PST

'Remember, He didn't give us The Ten Suggestions.'

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Jesus is the Creator
Dec 16, 2016 4:08AM PST

Read Hebrews chapter one, and 1 Corinthians chapter 8 for starters. 1 Corinthians 10 also will inform you Jesus is the one with Moses and in the glowing smoking column or pillar which led them through the wilderness.

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Re: creator
Dec 16, 2016 4:22AM PST

I seem to remember from Genesis that God created heaven and earth, not Jesus. From the GNT: "In the beginning, when God created the universe".
Are you implying God and Jesus are the same?

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"Let us make man in our image"
Dec 16, 2016 3:40PM PST

Did you also read that in Genesis?

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Re: image
Dec 17, 2016 6:06AM PST

No, I never came that far.

However, "like" is definitely not the same as "equal". Your quote only says that God has a head, 2 arms, 2 legs and a penis, like men. Moreover, without the last he couldn't be father of Jesus (like in father, son and holy spirit).

Do you realise that the old Greek made Zeus and Hera and all their gods look like mankind? So did the Vikins with Wodan and colleagues. And so did the writers of the OT. It's a quite common idea.

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Oh, no! Kees, you have just entered the black hole of
Dec 16, 2016 4:28PM PST

THE TRINITY! Now this thread will multiply geometrically!
Don't panic, though, I have a way out. Read Rev 3:12 in the King James Version (or Nederlander; I don't care) and see if the plain language gives you insight into the alleged unity & identity of Jesus and God. Then quote it to James and wait for his reply. You'll ROTFL so hard at its inanity that your curiosity will be quenched forever.

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You just totally ignore...
Dec 16, 2016 4:01AM PST

...that the Apostles took every opportunity to preach the gospel to world leaders when given the chance, even to the Roman Emperor. You ignore the powers that be are instituted of God, as the bible states, or did NWT twist those scriptures around too?

Now I don't get upset if JW's want to go stand out on a hill waiting for something to happen and be disappointed yet again, or to hide away in some kingdom hall and feel better than everyone else in the religious world.

I do wonder why any govt would really care, but maybe they don't understand your group enough because you ARE reclusive about govt, and THAT'S what makes them suspicious.

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Did I interpret this correctly?
Dec 17, 2016 5:20AM PST

You wrote;

"We’re a progressive organization which changes gradually in response to increased understanding of the Bible and prophecy.

But didn't your organization write its own bible which also contained that prophecy? This sounds to me like Joseph Heller re-reading "Catch-22" and finding yet undiscovered evidence in his own manuscript. He certainly could have gone back and looked at the facts behind some of what he wrote and noted errors in what he'd written. As such, I'd think you'd need to either re-examine the old original scriptures, found and verified new scripture or have supporting evidence due to some revelation coming not from planetary beings. Your bible is already your best interpretation of the original scripture, I would think. You can't look at it by itself and find new meanings.

If I build my own house and find an area of the foundation crumbling due to my selection of a brand of concrete, I'm not going to patch just that area and not examine the entire foundation for similar breeches in its integrity.

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Steven, I’m not sure what your problem is here.
Dec 20, 2016 3:34PM PST

Perhaps I should have said “increased understanding of the Bible and its prophecies.”
“write its own Bible” is a very common accusation, without any basis in fact. Think about it: Over 8 million of us so far, each of whom has chosen after study to use the NWT almost exclusively. What part of it did we change that escaped the notice of all of us? An important change that we did notice- and it helped us see the value of the Witness teachings- is in restoring Jehovah’s personal name to Jehovah’s book. (2 Tim 3:16,17) If you reject it for that you’ll have to throw out at least two other mainstream Bibles as well. When you have done that, we can talk about translation. James can read along, and learn something.
Your points in your other post are well taken, except that you’ve forgotten other things I’ve shown you from your Bible. “from your Bible” BTW is a phrase you’ve seen often from me; I guess you didn’t do the research begged by the statement. I’ll be posting some review of basic Witness teachings for you, aka basic Bible teachings.
You did pay attention on some of those Saturday mornings. “The Jehovah['s] Witnesses are obviously trained and skilled”. Of course; we study and practice the Grand Commission; aren’t your priests good at what they do, after those years in seminary? “some kind of evocative question”. We call it a viewpoint question, about ordinary human needs and desires, with the idea of getting to present Jehovah’s view of the problem and how he purposes to correct it. (You and James are relying on Trump; let me know how that turns out.) The suggested questions change from month to month, along with the material we’re presenting with it. Nefarious, isn’t it?
I also have some authoritative information about Martyrdom complex, but I think you aren’t going to like it.
I’ve read Heller; an excellent book. One of its themes is that government doesn’t work to benefit people, a situation that hasn’t changed.
And it’s “breaches”; the Breeches Bible is another story. Happy

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Since the original topic was
Dec 21, 2016 3:40AM PST

about whether Trump is a spy or not, and since you brought him back into the conversation, I have to ask you...

"You and James are relying on Trump; let me know how that turns out."

I'm also a Trump supporter and have been from the beginning although one person here tried to find that out from day one, you obviously feel about him the same way he does. Do you honestly believe hilLIARy would have been the better choice since there were only the two left standing at the end or did you not vote at all in protest for the top slot and why did you make the choice you made?

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RE:I'm also a Trump supporter
Dec 21, 2016 5:01AM PST
I'm also a Trump supporter and have been from the beginning

From "the beginning"?...well, that was difficult/impossible to tell.

A "silent" supporter? Some "support"?

Just like YOU think I "support" Clinton?

YOUR words...

September 2, 2015 12:30 PM PDT

MY silence regarding Trump is no different than my silence about the rest of the candidates...........I'm waiting to find out what all of them stand for and if I agree with that or not before I make up my mind on who I will actually support.


It seems YOU were totally undecided...

As Of Sept 2, 2015...YOU were silent...It would be interesting IF you provided a post(other than the one I'm responding to) where you actually SAY you were supporting Trump.