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iPhone4 Pre-order -- FAIL

Jun 15, 2010 2:21AM PDT

Has anyone had success with pre-ordering an iPhone4 through the Apple Store website? I continue to get an error at the verification step. Been trying all morning.

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(NT) "All you bloggers, turn off your WiFi."
Jun 15, 2010 8:18AM PDT
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same here
Jun 15, 2010 11:15AM PDT

Apple tech support rep. said to keep trying...

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Not Enough Apparently
Jun 16, 2010 1:03AM PDT

I am going to wait until my contract expires, then get an Evo...

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Pre-orders were 10x 3Gs
Jun 16, 2010 7:22AM PDT

I guess people see it as a big upgrade. Or, all the 3G users are out of contract.

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I'm letting my friends be the guinea pigs.
Jun 16, 2010 8:38AM PDT

If the new antenna stops the dropped call issue then I will definitely upgrade. The new screen and HD video recoding will be a nice perk but mostly I'm happy with my 3GS. I found out that Gazelle.com will give me 270 dollars for my 32 GB 3GS so its only going to cost 30 dollars to get the 32GB iPhone 4 which is not too bad.

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Only a new carrier can stop that issue
Jun 16, 2010 8:47AM PDT

Visit Canada or Australia to see a perfectly working iPhone. Rogers and Telstra are great networks.

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Possibly. But it may also be because
Jun 16, 2010 10:42PM PDT

those carriers have greater ability to deal with capacity than any carrier in the US does. We just don;t know that its not both the iPhone ANDS the carrier's fault (if there is not some truth to this why the big deal about the new iPhone 4 antenna at the WWDC Keynote?). I know some UK iPhone users have reported persistent dropped call issues. It may just not be as widespread as it is here. I am not convinced that Verizon wouldn't buckle under the number of iPhone users that AT&T has to deal with. Plus there is no way in hell Apple is going to make a CDMA version of the iPhone for a single company in a single country. They will wait till everyone is on LTE before they do they bother.

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Well....
Jun 18, 2010 10:15AM PDT

Sydney is a larger city than San Francisco and is plenty dense.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/614/copyofdscf6485xc1.jpg
And there are large cities in Canada also.
So it's not as if these carriers don't have comparable capacity and density problems.

UK has had iPhone on exclusivity on O2 until recently. O2 has had plenty of strain put on it. Note also the UK is all 2100mhz 3G networks, which is pretty bad spectrum that will tend to be full of deadspots that drop to 2G GSM which runs at 900mhz. Walking into a 3G deadspot could result in a dropped call if there is not a successful pass over to 2G. Similarly AT&T uses a lot of 1900mhz 3G spectrum, especially in San Francisco and New York. So put poor spectrum and a congested network together, you get reliability problems.
Telstra and Rogers are entirely 850mhz Wideband CDMA (3G on GSM networks is actually a CDMA technology! heh). Verizon is entirely 800mhz CDMA. This is prime spectrum.

Optus has similar issues in Australia, although iPhone has been on all carriers since it was out, Optus had the lowest prices and got the majority of iPhone users. Their 2100mhz 3G network is full of holes, and my sister keeps complaining about dropped calls. By comparison, Telstra is almost always 5 bars and always works flawlessly, except in the subway. They even have great outback coverage with that 850mhz spectrum. The iPhone has been a huge hit here too, with a 40% market share in the whole cell phone market. By comparison, Nokia is at 45%, Blackberry 9%, Windows mobile 3% and Android 2%. Android is a failure here because no carrier needed to push it, they all had iPhone.

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We will see what happens next week.
Jun 18, 2010 11:45PM PDT

Three people in my office are upgrading to iPhone 4's. All of them have dropped call issues right now with their 3G's and 3GS's. If that changes significantly we will find out soon enough.

If not then I likely won't bother upgrading just yet.

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Great plan!
Jun 16, 2010 10:43AM PDT

I'll wait and see too.

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BOL 1251
Jun 18, 2010 11:00AM PDT

Anyone listen to that episode, specifically the Southern caller at the end? Vote with your $$$ dude!