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Interesting read - "running dual OS for multi-purpose PCs"

Aug 26, 2007 3:38PM PDT

I found this post at a home-recording forum that I read. It sounds like a good set-up for my own personal needs, but I thought I'd post it here and get a few opinions about it...

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If you have the space for it on your software harddrive, make an extra partition (a physical harddrive can be divided into several logical drives, behaving as different harddrives) for only music work and a partition for all the other stuff. You can have 2 different installs of windows (doesen't even have to be the same version) on the two partitions, so you can uptimize the one for music and keep it free of all the ekstra software that you want to have on your everyday office/gaming computer. I've done that since I started using my computers as DAWs 4 years ago, and it works very well.

How to setup a multipartition system:

*If installing all over, and able to format the whole harddrive (By far the best solution!!)*

1a. Backup anything on the harddrive that you might need again to another physical drive or another computer.

2a. Boot from the Windows installation disk and use the menus in the beginning to delete any existing partitions on the harddrive (will delete EVERYTHING on the disk, so backup FIRST if reusing a harddrive).

3a. Create a partition for normal use, by creating a partition and selecting a size between 10 and 25 GB (I use 20 GB and thats more than enough for me for Windows + Office + Firefox + a cpl of games and so on).

4a. Install Windows on the newly created partition.

5a. Boot on the Windows install CD again.

6a. Create a music partition (about 10 GB + space for any large software synths that you might have)

7a. Create a partition in the rest of the space for data, music files, documents and other stuff (this way you won't have to backup when reinstalling windows, cos that will only affect the Windows partition that you are reinstalling to, which needs formating).

8a. Install Windows again on the second partition. Next time you boot you will get a menu, asking you to choose. The one on the top of the list will be the last one you installed.


*If you have already got a Windows installation that you want to keep, and want to partition the drive without loosing the existing partition *

1b. Get a program like Partition Magic. I don't know how many other programs are able to divide an existing partition without deleting data, but Windows partition manager and the one in the Windows install CAN'T! Partition Magic sometimes comes for free with your harddisk, and theres also a demo version, but Im not sure if the demo will do.

2b. Backup any important documents you might have to another computer or another physical harddrive.

3b. Use Partition Magic (or similar) to shrink your C drive to about 10-20 GB.

4b. Create a partition for your music (about 10 GB + space for any large software synths that you might have)

5b. Create a partition in the rest of the space for data, music files, documents and other stuff (this way you won't have to backup if reinstalling windows later on, cos that will only affect the Windows partition that you are reinstalling to, which will need formating).

6b. Install Windows again on the second partition. Next time you boot you will get a menu, asking you to choose. The one on the top of the list will be the last one you installed.


*Generel setup of multipartition systems*

Im kinda guessing the names in the next part, becourse I use a Danish version of Windows XP, but try to figure out what I mean if it's not the correct names.

Drive names and letters
If you open the Control Panel -> (Switch to advances view in the upper left corner) -> Administration -> Computer Administration -> Disk Managment. In here you can rename drives, change letters on drives (I like to have my logical drives named in order, starting from C: ) and change partitions. You can not resize existing partitions, so you will have to delete them and create new ones to change them in here.


Changing the boot menu and renaming the items
Open START -> Right click My computer -> Choose properties->Select the Advanced tab -> Click the settings button in the lower square ("start and something") -> Click the edit button.

In here you edit the boot menu. Take a little time to look at the lines, and you will figure it out! Mine looks like this after a little edit:

Code:
[boot loader]
timeout=10
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Normal" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Musik" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect


The one in the default line will be chosen automaticly after <timeout> time. Change the little numbers to those of the other partition if you want the other one to be primary. I have named my partitions "Normal and "Musik" as you see, and you can cut and paste if you like them to come in a different order in the menu. The top one in the file will be the top one in the menu, but NOT necesarely the default one.

Save and close when done, click ok in the window and close the rest of the windows that opened on the way in.

(It IS posible to change default partition and timeout in the screen before you clicked the edit button, but if you edit it will override the other values, even though they don't change when you save and close. You can't edit partition names out here though, and they will be named the same if it's the same version of the operating system)


In generel
Keep ALL you documents, data, music, holyday pictures and other important stuff on a seperat partition or physical drive than the one Windows is installed at! Do not just put them in the "Documents" folder! By keeping it apart, you can always format the Windows partition and start over again without loosing anything. This advice goes no matter how many or few Windows partitions you might have. It is also easier and a LOT faster to defrag the Windows partition this way.

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The original thread can be found at this addy...
http://studio-central.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1086&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

So if I were to install a second instance of XP and tweak it for recording and music (and not using it for internet applications, etc), would it be safe (or at least safer) from being affected by viruses that the other OS might pick up from the net?

I'm very curious about this. Thanx a bunch!

~Maxx

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I don't see the point
Aug 26, 2007 8:30PM PDT

That very long post, (why so long?), seems to result in just one question;

"if I were to install a second instance of XP and tweak it for recording and music (and not using it for internet applications, etc), would it be safe (or at least safer) from being affected by viruses that the other OS might pick up from the net".

What is the purpose of installing two OS's? Is it just to store and play music on one partition?

If so and if the OS's are from the same family, (eg two Windows), then those files will still be seen from the other partition's OS and so, if you are infected by a virus, can still be corrupted/lost. If you mix and match OS's, eg Windows on one partition and Linux on another, then the files of one may not be able to be read from the other. But if you get a virus on the Windows partition that corrupts the whole OS, then you have to re-install Windows on that partition, and you risk losing files on the other.

Why waste the hard disk space with a full OS on a partition that is only going to be used to store music?

There is nothing against creating partitions for particular storage reasons, but again, why bother? Windows, and other OS's, have simple folder systems where you can save your personal files in any organisation that you want.

Also, remember this. Hard disks fail. If you have all of your personal files, (music, videos, photos, etc), on the hard disk and have not backed them up, then if that hard disk fails you lose everything, whether they are stored on a second partition, or in separate folders or whatever.

I think you are making yourself a lot of unnecessary work if you intend doing this.

Mark

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How would you tweak XP ...
Aug 26, 2007 8:37PM PDT

for recording and music?

Kees

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"would it be safe (or at least safer) from being affected
Aug 26, 2007 8:58PM PDT

"would it be safe (or at least safer) from being affected by viruses that the other OS might pick up from the net?"

No. A myth that has been busted many times.

Sorry,

Bob

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Hmm...
Aug 27, 2007 2:02AM PDT

Yes... I apologize for being long-winded. Will try to keep things more to the point...

thanx for the replies! In the end I think what really grabbed me about this concept was the first paragraph... "...you can uptimize the one for music and keep it free of all the ekstra software that you want to have on your everyday office/gaming computer."

But the more I think about it the more I wonder if it's really such a grand improvement. As pointed out by Mark and Bob the firewall/antivirus will still need to run in the back ground for security. And all the programs will still be stored on the same hard disc (I do have a second hard disc installed which I intend to use strictly for file storage, and I'm pretty diligent about backing up the important files to disc). So maybe I would be better off just creating a second user profile so that the two desktops could be optimized for seperate uses.

Anyhow... I'm getting loing-winded again! I really don't *want* to do a clean XP install. But again - given the issues I've stated in my previous thread ( http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?forumID=5&threadID=261687&messageID=2570243 ) I thought it would be easiest to start fresh. If this is not the case then I guess my question would be... How do I remove the already-existing second instance of XP from my drive (left over from the last time I reinstalled - see above thread URL), and (since I don't think I partitioned my hd at all last time) is there any way to partition the drive now and move windows closer to the interior of the disc (as is recomended widely for efficiency and extended drive life)? And how do I get my drives squeaky clean and free of unwanted programs and files without reformating the drives and reinstalling XP?

I'd better turn it off now before I really get started! Thanx again for all your wisdom!

PS - By the way Kees... Check out the following links for ideas on how to make sure your PC continues to run smoothly while operating audio recording and editing software...

http://studio-central.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1086

http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

http://www.musicxp.net/

Enjoy!

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Ahh, spyware and malware.
Aug 27, 2007 2:14AM PDT

Let me report I haven't had that issue in years. But I am not in the norm of PC users. For instance not only do I have the usual antivirus and firewall but I don't use IE except to visit Windows Update.

There is not a single web page I need to go to that requires more than SeaMonkey. SeaMonkey is one of the Mozilla family of browsers with the other items many might need. I also installed Adblockplus.

I also make a point of uninstalling any software I don't use for a year with the only caveat of those items that support a prior software project.

I don't use Outlook Express and never preview emails.

Bob

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SeaMonkey, huh?
Aug 27, 2007 2:20AM PDT

I've really been wanting to try something other thanm IE myself! I was thinking of trying FireFox, but will definately look into SeaMonkey while I'm checking out Mozilla products!

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You can also consider....
Aug 27, 2007 3:08AM PDT

You also have Opera and Safari (it's a beta, but it should still be pretty stable and usable) on Windows. Pretty much everything else is based on IE in some way.

Give 'em all a try, and pick whichever you like best. One of the best things that could happen to the web, is to have around 3 different browsers with roughly equal shares of the market. Probably the biggest benefit would be that malware authors would have a much harder time getting the kind of success rates they enjoy today with IE making for such easy pickings.

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Really!
Aug 27, 2007 4:11AM PDT

I remember Opera being talked about and very widely used among the members of several home recording enthusiest forums. It seems as if many of them have switched to FireFox now, if nothing else due to the nifty free plugins you can get. Many (indeed the vast majority) are enthralled with not only customizing the basic browser functions to aid in their artistic ventures, but also being able to controll the "eye candy" aspect as well. Anything to help keep them in the creative state. I've seen a few screenshots of custom FireFox browsers that have all but made me foam at the mouth. It's hard to deny that sort of temptation and remain logical while shopping!

Thanx for the input Jackson!