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Interesting ideas.

by Dan McC / September 21, 2004 5:03 AM PDT
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Interesting indeed ...
by Bill Osler / September 21, 2004 11:06 AM PDT
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I've always found Philip Yancey's writing interesting.

Of course, the concept can apply to political entities as well as religious ones. I have wondered over the years whether the general level of civic cohesion in this country may be partly related to the same phenomenon. My perception is that many communities, and the country itself, are somewhat less cohesive than in times past. Of course I cannot claim I'm old enough to be sure whether I'm right. Can you imagine any possibility that we could create and sustain the large degree of public unity of purpose that was (apparently) evident during WW II?

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Re: Interesting indeed ...
by Dan McC / September 22, 2004 12:53 AM PDT
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Sadly, I cannot think of anything good that would unite the nation for any length of time longer than a football game.

That's humans for ya.


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Apparently, something very like this happened to the
by Kiddpeat / September 21, 2004 11:42 AM PDT
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Puritans. They were originally very devout, and had a well thought out faith. However, their children and grandchildren inherited very valuable property and lost the faith and understanding of their fathers.

I've also heard it argued that an affluent, materialistic lifestyle is alien to the Christian life and may, in fact, represent a judgement of God on the Christian community. I'm not sure I believe all of that, but it is thought provoking.

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Re: Apparently, something very like this happened to the
by RB2D2 / September 21, 2004 8:47 PM PDT

Now that you brought it up, I have noticed that happens with Democrats. They get a little money together and all of a sudden they forget about God and become Republicans.

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Re: Apparently, something very like this happened to the
by Roger NC / September 22, 2004 5:28 AM PDT

So John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, John Edwards, etc are all actually poor men?

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Re: Apparently, something very like this happened to the
by dirtyrich / September 22, 2004 5:39 AM PDT

Its not wealth that turns Democrats into Republicans, but wisdom.

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Re: Interesting ideas.
by dirtyrich / September 21, 2004 1:49 PM PDT
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Look back into history and you see the same theme repeated. The Romans are a perfect example. Ruled much of the known world at the time, they became decadent and lost base with what truly mattered and was necessary for the survival of their empire. The Chinese and even the Soviet Union (well, their ruling class) experienced this.
As abundant production provides surplus, individuals enter into non-productive careers, those that do not physically enhance the nation - artists, writers, poets, lawyers, politicians, bureaucrats, etc. As these classes become more numerous and powerful, they take control over the society, so that when a threat strikes at the nation, the nation is unable to adequately protect itself.
In our case Vietnam is a good example. Military decisions were made by the political establishment, preventing the free exercise of the US military.
Same as in the current war in Iraq. Instead of a determined push to mop up resistance in Iraq and get it going to its future, our forces are being limited in strength, money, and resources by politicians squabbling for control and power.
Simply put, the ruling class (even here in the US) loses sight of what's most important to the nation.

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