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Inside Gateway 7510gx (7510gx vs Compaq R4000)

by HM2005 / July 15, 2005 10:36 AM PDT

Can somebody help me?
I'm new to this community.

I'm having trouble in choosing my first notebook. I'm looking for a nice desktop replacement w/ nice price.
You know, right now, HP is selling their R4000 seies which also use AMD athlon processor.
I'm confuse about which one to choose. Compaq presario R4000 or Gateway 7510gx? Which one is better?

compaq presario R4000 (customizable model):
1. Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition with SP2 (i'm gonna change it after)
2. AMD Athlon(TM) 64 3800+ (2.4GHz/512KB L2 Cache, WITH NO DUAL CHANNEL SUPPORT)
3. 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen (1280x800)
4. 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(128MB dedicated. X300 128MB class of GPU.)
5. 1.0GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB PC2700 333MHz)
6. 80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
7. 8x DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support
8. 54g(TM) Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN & Bluetooth
9. 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
10. Microsoft(R) Works/Money
11. "2-year HP Express Repair extended service plan" (100$)
12. "HP Sport Backpack" (50$)
The notebook itself costs 1293 USD for now (after 100$ instant rebate with free shipping).
+ number 11 and 12, it would be 1443 USD.
(note: modem, LAN, 6in1 Card reader, Complete ports, 1394, etc, etc are included already)

Keep in mind that dual channel memory support of AMD socket 939 is currently not available in R4000/zv6000.

Gateway 7510gx (fixed/standard model. I have some questions here):
1. Mobile AMD Athlon 64-bit 3700+ Processor (2.4 GHz, 1MB L2 Cache. Socket 754.)
2. 1GB 333MHz DDR SDRAM (expandable to 1.5GB)
3. Intel 915PM or ATI RX480 ?
4. 15.4" Widescreen Ultrabright TFT WXGA LCD
5. ATI MOBILITY RADEON X600 with 128MB of memory
6. PC2001 Compliant AC '97 Audio with built-in speakers
7. 100GB HDD (4200 RPM)
8. Double Layer DVD reWriter
9. Built-in 802.11g broadcom Wi-Fi Wireless LAN Adapter
10. 1 year standard warranty.
+ 6-in-1 Digital Media Manager
+ 56K V.92 Fax Modem
++ Ports - 10/100 Ethernet, 4 USB 2.0, 1 FireWire, 1 VGA, 1 S-Video, Microphone In, & Headphone / Audio Out
It would cost 1399 USD.

Now, my qustions are (about 7510gx notebook):
1. What is the 7510gx actual chipset ?
2. How fast will The system bus/Front Side Bus runs ?
Anyone try play HL2, DOOM3 or Farcry at standard spec ?
3. Is there any disturbance when playing the game above by using standard spec (100GB 4200RPM, 1GB DDR, x600 128, 3700+)
4. Does the Wi-Fi also support 802.11b ?
5. What can we upgrade from the current system beside memory or HDD ?

Well, my budget is only 1500 $. R4000 offers a nice deal. I can even have 2 years warranty, bag and an additional mouse (if i want to).
I'm gonna use it in Indonesia for at least a year and i plan to use it for maybe 3-4 years.

(next questions about 7510gx)
6. Will it be able to survive 3-4 years later (rather than R4000?) ?
7. Is the casing solid and strong (compared with R4000) ?
8. Will it be ok to go 3-4 years without extended warranty ?
9. Do you guys have any trouble/problem/cons about 7510gx so far ?
10. What do you suggest for me to do (with 1500 $ budget) ?

I have some benchmark scores from other thread about the zv6000/R4000 system.
(not my spec)
15.4 in glossy brightview widescreen
Athlon 64 3200+ (2.0Ghz, 512kb cache) Socket 939 .13um NewCastle
chipset: Radeon RS480, southbridge: SB400, HP motherboard model 3085
ATI xpress 200m 128Mb dedicated graphics
1Gb (512x2) Nanya DDR pc2700 cl 2.5 ram
80Gb 5400rpm Seagate Momentus
DVD/CDRW combo drive
Broadcom wireless b/g with bluetooth
HP standard 1 year warranty

Everest tests:
Mem read: 2514 MB/s
Mem write: 1049 MB/s
Latency: 37.5 ns

Of these, the top 2 showed up in the middle of the built-in examples, below most of the dual channel and pc3200; The latency was the top scorer of all systems.

CPU-Z says:
Memory channels: single

PCMARK04: 3455 pcmarks

673 3dmarks
CPU score: 3414

1435 3dmarks
CPU score: 700
Fill Rate (Single-texturing): 349.8 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-texturing): 599.1 MTexels/s
Vertex Shader: 3.7 fps
Pixel Shader 2.0: 13.8 fps
Ragtroll: 7.0fps

3DMARK2001 SE:
5431 3dmarks
Fill Rate (Single-texturing): 402.0 MTexels/s
Fill Rate (Multi-texturing): 603.1 MTexels/s
High Polygon Count (1 light): 10.0 MTriangles/s
High Polygon Count (8 lights): 4.9 MTriangles/s
Environment Bump Mapping: 115.5 fps
DOT3 Bump Mapping: 47.6 fps
Vertex Shader: 68.3 fps
Pixel Shader: 69.5 fps
Advanced Pixel Shader: 43.6 fps
Point Sprites: 8.5 MSprites/s

AquaMark 3:
Score: 12,425
GFX: 1332
CPU: 9106

CPU Arithmetic:
Drystone ALU: 9138 MIPS
Whetstone FPU: 3146 MFLOPS
Whetstone iSSE2: 4072 MFLOPS
CPU Multimedia:
Integer x4 aEMMX/aSSE: 18985 it/s
Float x4 iSSE2: 20420 it/s
File System Benchmark:
Drive Index: 34 MB/s
Buffered Read: 29 MB/s
Sequential Read: 38 MB/s
Random Read: 28 MB/s
Buffered Write: 81 MB/s
Sequential Write: 38 MB/s
Random Write: 27 MB/s
Average Access Time: 10 ms
Memory Bandwidth Benchmarks:
Ram Bandwidth Int Buffered iSSE2: 2504 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buffered iSSE2: 2495 MB/s
memory shown as 2.5-3-3-3 1 CMD
Cache & Memory Benchmarks:
Combined Index: 4225 MB/s

Any comparison ?

Sorry for asking so many questions.
I'll be waiting for your reply.

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by damasta55r / July 15, 2005 1:07 PM PDT

1. The chipset can't be the 915PM, because it's an amd notebook. It has ATI RX480 chipset.
2. The amd processor has no fsb... It has hypertransport. The socket 939 HP/Compaq has a higher speed of 2000Mhz, i think. WHile socket 754 is only at 1600Mhz.
3. Using the gateway, depending on how good the gfx are in the game, there might be a lagg unless you run at lower settings. The x600 isn't a top-of-the line card.
4. Don't think it supports both, but 802.11b is slow anyways.
5. Upgrade as in customize? Or upgrade at home (do-it-yourself)?
6. Yes, probably will survive. Gateways build good notebooks. Hardware wise, not very good in the gaming world.
7. As for whether the casing is good, well notebooks nowadays are pretty made all the same, but the gateway really looks plasticly.
8. Without a 3-4 year warranty, well i guess its okay, if you take good care of it. Besides, doubt you can get service in indonesia.
9. Problems, make sure you update all drivers. But other than that, nothing serious.
10. I would get the r4000 because the only difference between the two is the gfx card. The gateway's one is better, but the wireless on the r4000 supports 802.11. If you really need the better gfx, than get the gateway and get a wireless adapter. If not, get the compaq for a cheaper price.'7510GX%20notebook%20motherboard'

Now as the for the gfx on the r4000, its like an x300se, which i have. I can run max settings at 1280x1024 on flight simulator 2004 or run bf2 pretty well. This card basically competes with a ATI 9600, so its not bad. the x600 is a bit better than the x300, but not by much.

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by HM2005 / July 15, 2005 8:19 PM PDT
In reply to: RE:

Gee, thanks alot.
I never thought that there would be replies this quick.

Actually, i'm an indonesian cute white boy.
I'm planning to go for college in US next year.
So, i'm gonna have the notebook delivered.
Laptop sellers here (indo) earn so much profit. Too much, i think.

(Umm, if i may ask another)
How about both monitor quality ?
It's wireless connectivity (both) ?
Even design. How good are they ?

Have you experienced both ?

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by Hickeroar / July 24, 2005 11:38 PM PDT

I got the 7510GX a few days ago and i've run all those benchmarks on it... I myself got much higher scores in all the 3dMarks than you did. (don't know if you were using the R4000 or the 7510GX) I would definatley say that they graphics capabilities of the gateway definatley go beyond anything else in its pricerange. Havent tried the R4000 at all, but i'd trust a gateway over a compaq anyday anyway....

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Get the Gateway
by mcrstblk / August 1, 2005 5:48 PM PDT
In reply to: 7510GX

I have played all of the games you are referring to on the Gateway and they run great. Farcry in particular looks very good. I am a computer technician and have been for 10 years. I am saying that so you understand that I do know a thing or two. I would also buy the machine from if you can because it's at 1249.00, and get the service plan. You can be serviced all over the world. They will find someone pretty much wherever you are, or they will have you ship it. So, for 1500 you get the machine and a 3 year warranty. Best Buys warranty also will cover as many batteries as you need during those three years, and batteries that quit holding a decent charge has been my biggest problem with laptops. Also, if the screen goes out, as long as there isn't an impact on the screen, they will replace it. They will cover any hardware issue you have. So, for a quite detailed review of the specs etc.. of the 7510gx, you can also check out I am also a bit of an evercrack head, and I play eq2. I am able to get great performance and have yet to experience much lag at all as long as I use the settings that eq uses by default. I am very impressed with this machine as a desktop replacement.

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Look for international warranty -- HP/compaq has more int'l
by KenSanramon / August 1, 2005 5:59 PM PDT
In reply to: 7510GX

If you will be taking the notebook out of the US you should make sure you have a worldwide warranty. Most notebooks purchased in the US (including HP and Gateway) on the consumer level have only a US warranty.

But HP/compaq (same company now) has an established international presence. I don't even know how many Gateway service locations there are outside the US.

Look into an international warranty either by getting an HP/compaq US business model, etc.

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