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Innocent little lambs
?The Pentagon on Monday released the names of six former Guantanamo detainees who U.S. officials say re-emerged as Islamist fighters in Afghanistan after their release from the U.S. military prison in Cuba.?
?Pentagon officials said the detainees lied about their past by claiming to be farmers, truck drivers, cooks, small-scale merchants or low-level combatants -- assertions that were sometimes backed up by fellow inmates.?
?The Guantanamo prison now has about 385 inmates. Records on 517 current and former detainees show that 95 percent have been members of or associated with al Qaeda or the Taliban and that 73 percent participated in hostilities against U.S. or coalition forces, defense officials said.?
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and the TORTURE drove them to be terrorists.
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I meant that sarcastically to begin with, and look what we got!
We are fighting a PC war. The only problem is, WE are being PC and the other side is not. In fact they are laughing at us for our fairness, which they interpret as weakness.
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If I were actually a farmer that was caught up in the wrong place and wrong time and detained in Gitmo for years without representation then I would probably join those fighting the ones that imprisoned me unjustly.
I'm certain there are plenty of bad apples detained at Gitmo that deserve to be there. If there are some that really don't deserve to be there though then I can understand their resentment for having been held there. Can you? If any of the detainees truely were farmers, truck drivers, cooks or small-scale merchants prior to their detention do they have a valid claim of injustice?
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If I were actually a farmer that was caught up in the wrong place and wrong time and detained in Gitmo for years without representation then I would probably run as fast and as far I could to be away from those that caused me to be associated with them (the terrorists)
Gee, if you WERE and you saw how bad Gitmo was, imagine how bad it would be if you proved them correct.
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Do any legitimate farmers detained at Gitmo have a legitimate beef with us for their detention?
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If you were detained for years for something you didn't do and were denied the ability to argue your point would you have a beef? I would.
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I was saying that you don't know if there are any at Gitmo with valid beefs
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there are actually any legitimate (not associated with terrorists) farmers wrongly detained, they could have a case.
IF. Personally I doubt there are many, if any at all.
I do know that there are certain interests who spread this bogus notion.
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If there's a chance that there are any at all, do they deserve to be heard? Mind you, I'm not saying that there are and I freely admit there are many defeatocrats that want us to believe there are more than there really are but, if there's any at all don't they have a legitimate beef?
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in the wrong place at the wrong time locked up for years and you get mad at the people that your accused of associating with but you didn't/don't associate with them
It's their fault! the terrorists!
NOT the people that confined you.
If a person was falsely convicted. in any civilized country in the world.
Someone put in jail, locked up for years when the prosecutor gives false evidence and after years in jail, when finally released after being found innocent. You sue the criminals that do bad things because they made people think that you could be a criminal.
Is that what people do?
Blame/sue the real bad guys OR the people that put them in the situation?
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When innocent are detained, Yes.
And my "we" includes any country that detains innocent people.
I did not say "terrorist are blameless"
You did.
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Look up a couple branches on this tree
Who said this
Yeah, terrorist are blameless... They are the real good guys. We are the bad guys.
If you think I said it ...Show me where. (except to quote you)
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Yet you mislead anyway.
You implied it rather strongly. It's their fault! the terrorists!
NOT the people that confined you.
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If this person were completely innocent, most likely he wouldn't have been brought to Gitmo to begin with and it would have been real easy for him to prove himself "innocent" as no one else would be able to implicate him as a terrorist. This issue has NOTHING to do with anyone/prosecutors giving false evidence against anyone
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IF he was completely innocent he most likely wouldn't be there, Or then again maybe he would be. (Innocent people weren't allowed on the plane?) I don't know how a person can be "partially" innocent.
IF he was innocent it would be easy to prove, (It would? HOW?) Ask his buddies? the ones the Gitmo guards accuse of lying?
SO
most likely?
PS I don't know if you and DM realize people were being paid to turn in people. Drop a dime and get a couple hundred bucks. people will do a lot for money, even lie.
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The fact is we are being overly lenient; letting people go who should rot there.
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People were paid for turning people in? So what? if they are innocent, there would be NOTHING for the Americans use against them.
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They wouldn't be there if they were innocent
They're all liars
That's 2 strikes.
one more and the rope goes on.
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That's only another distortion.
Tell you what, as soon as we start hanging them, tell us. Til then, no sympathy from me. Afterwards, maybe.
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that Coalition troops swept through Afghanistan arresting cooks and farmers and missed all those Taliban fighters that were shooting at them.
The Guantanamo prison now has about 385 inmates. Records on 517 current and former detainees show that 95 percent have been members of or associated with al Qaeda or the Taliban and that 73 percent participated in hostilities against U.S. or coalition forces, defense officials said.
There MAY have been a small number that were detained unfairly, but I doubt it is a significant number, in spite of those who claim that the detainees are mostly innocents. It strains credulity far beyond the breaking point.
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