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Indian Leader: need is for more, not less.

Protocol calls for Bush to meet with Indian leaders
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>>The president paid little, if any, attention to Indian affairs during his first term in office. In fact, he routinely tried to make major cuts in funding to a bureau budget that has always fallen short of meeting tribal needs.

And while addressing a gathering of journalists of color in Washington last summer, Bush asserted that sovereignty is something given to tribes by the federal government and not a right.

He should know that the treaties establishing sovereignty were signed between separate tribal nations and Congress.

This year the administration is looking to slash the BIA's budget yet again. The proposed cuts to critical service programs total $110 million.

If Congress does not step in as it has in the past, tribes will see deep cuts in housing, health care and education, including cuts in funding for badly needed school construction.

It should be a national disgrace that Indian students attend class in the worst school buildings in the country.<<

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I have a question.

If the Indian nations are sovereign nations, are the residents of these nations US citizens? Do they pay Federal Income Tax? I guess that makes it two questions Wink

Evie Happy

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I really don't know, Evie.

But don't tell me you think we've treated the Indians any way but shabbily over our history! Immorally, even....

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That is true ...

... and it has spanned the spectrum of political persuasions holding high offices in this land. However just as reparations are an impossibility for slavery, so too is throwing money at tribes in the current day. I believe we do need to make good on monies owed, but that is separate from the programs discussed through the BIA.

Evie Happy

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Well that one way of looking at it.

Maybe our forefathers treated them bad, as did the white slave owners treat Blacks bad, but WE HAVE paid through the nose for generation after generation for the sins of the past. (Notice I didn't say sins off our fathers, because you still have to pay if you just got off the boat)

We HAVE created zillions of alcoholics on the reservations by supporting them just like our little social experiment with Black welfare has blown up in our faces.

I say it's time someone forgive the White Englishmen that lived here hundreds of years BEFORE my time, and join the rest of us North Americans in building a greater Nation.

My people came from Germany, so you can blame me for Hitler, slavery or Indian mistreatment but not all three. Actually we migrated to the US before Hitler and after all the other stuff. You it's your fault, not mine.

Over history we treated the Spanish bad, Japanese, Mexicans, you name, what's your point? More welfare or more self-esteem?

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How about the Homestake Mine, Jerry?

The largest operating mine in the US is located in the Black Hills on what was the Ogalala Sioux reservation -- until gold was discovered there. We threw them off the land into even lousier land (never mind it was deeded to them in perpetuity, and the Black Hills were sacred to them). When they resisted, they got Wounded Knee. Frankly, we treated the Indians MUCH Worse than we ever treated the slaves -- at least we didn't try to systematically try to eradicate the slaves with smallpox-tainted blankets, because they were of too much economic value for that.

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When did this happen?

I didn't do it! Nor did I own slaves, not beat the Spanish back and steal mexico, nor encamp Japanese in WWII, nor aid Hitler, etc.

I stand behind my actions and not the criminals. If someone tried to kill people with smallpox or anthrax or ricin, we would punish that/those people for their crime. We wouldn't punish everyone with the same skin color FOREVER.

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But the mine is still extracting gold...

and some of your mutual funds may be invested and getting dividends... This isn't an OLD injustice, Jerry -- it's ongoing. As to when it first happened, the 1870's. And it was Custer's men who made the discovery -- the Little Big Horn was part of the war to move them off their promised lands into the small arid corner they were "allowed" to retain. Some of the worst, most useless land in that part of the country -- entirely typical of the siting of Indian reservations.

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So give the mine back ...

... social welfare programs are not the solution to this problem Dave.

Evie Happy

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We've stripped them of everything, Evie.

We owe them. Point is, there ARE no jobs there -- the we left them, after taking away the few parcels that later turned out to have value, is worthless. So they have the choice of abandoning their tribe and traditions, or (without "welfare") having substandard education, housing, and medical care. The life expectancy on the Indian reservations is the lowest in the country -- do you consider that morally justifiable? "Self reliance" is great when there are tools to make a living -- but there aren't such tools on most Indian reservations, except those near enough to major population centers to make a go of gambling.

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My point is;

Whenever a criminal does something bad, we should punish the criminal, not the country and it's people forever.

Should Iraqis pay invaded countries FOREVER and FOREVER or should we punish Saddam? How about the well known automobile manufacture in Japan that killed Allied prisoners to make the others work harder and now sells their lousy cars in this country, should we get paid from them FOREVER?

My second point is; If you want to destroy a race a people, give them handouts. Read a newspaper.

As far as it's still producing gold, did you know that people are still living on land in California that we took from the Mexicans? So what. Many of the richest, oldest money in the country stems from train robbers and bank robbers in time past. So what. Poor Richard's Almanac made tons of money telling people how to be frugal while the author lived it up in France at taxpayers expense. So what. We can keep this up all day, who ever told you that life was fair?

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(NT) (NT) Then propose other cuts to fund your desires
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One point is true I guess
Some of the worst, most useless land in that part of the country -- entirely typical of the siting of Indian reservations.


On the other hand, we no longer drag any Indian off the reservation back in handcuffs either.

If you want to return what was stolen from the Indians to Indian descendants, then Europe (and Africa, even if it was unwilling supplier of immigrants) had better get ready for a huge influx of returnees.

And Canada and Alaska will have to go back to the Intuit.

Aid for schooling would be a better offering to Indians if you want to make one. Both for on reservation and off reservation schooling if you're going to do it. BTW, are you going to means test the recipitants of scholarships for Indians or not? it's normally not PC to means test such disignated for any legally recognize minority.

JMO

Roger

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(NT) (NT) OPPS, Intuit should be Inuit (taxes on my mind, LOL)
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So, the tax exempt Indian Nations

that are making a tax free mint off their lotteries, cigarette sales and other tax exempt activity from Joe Taxpayer need more taxpayer money to support their tribes? Just why do they have a budget at all that's funded with U.S. tax dollars? Will you ever quit looking for ways to spend MY money? Try looking for some budget cuts somewhere instead of more ways to spend money. IMO, it's high time this country learns to live with the means it has instead of taking more and more money from us. If you personally want to fund some of this, you know where YOUR checkbook is, use it.

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(NT) (NT) What did they spend all the casino money on?
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(NT) (NT) fast cars and booze :)
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Not all have casinos, Cindi.

For example, there are no casinos in Texas. And even though Pine Ridge, one of the poorest reservations in the country (home to the Wounded Knee Massacre, and not that far from Mt. Rushmore) now has a casino, the population of the area is so small that it isn't doing very well. And families visiting Mt. Rushmore usually aren't interested in a detour to a casino located in the midst of squalor. The original Pine Ridge reservation included the Black Hills, btw -- but that was stolen from the Indians when gold was found there.

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Sometime you must tie your own boot strips

Grand Casino Coushatta, pays about $1.9 million a year tax. (a 6 percent agreement in Louisiana) If they took another 6 percent and distributed that amount around the Indian Nations and other profitable casinos like the Tunica-Biloxi tribe and the Grand Casino Avoyelles in Marksville to name a few. What type of schools can they build? How well off? We are promised the right to pursue nothing more. Sometime you must tie your own boot strips.

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(NT) (NT) PS I have Indian blood, skin color and beard.

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