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Question

In Trumps world

Apr 20, 2020 2:44PM PDT

The states are responsible for

TheRUMP says

Testing, Testing, Testing,” again playing a very dangerous political game. States, not the Federal Government, should be doing the Testing

the States say THEY are bidding against the FEDS for "testing supplies"

Someone is not telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Whose baby is it?

Both parties are responsible for a percentage?

Which percentage for each?

THAT'S the rub?

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Whiner States
Apr 20, 2020 4:47PM PDT

They shouldn't complain about "state's rights" and then whine later because they aren't willing to exercise those 'rights" themselves and expect the federal govt to do it all for them. Hypocrisy in action.

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(NT) Well, that's one take on it ...
Apr 20, 2020 5:03PM PDT
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Not able to find it now, so you'll have to take my word.
Apr 20, 2020 5:29PM PDT

AP or CBS story about Governors' pushback on reopening. Listed several red ones who seemed to be reading from the same script as their blue colleagues.
It's not Trump vs. Deep State, it's Trump vs. science and common sense.

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The more testing that has gotten done
Apr 21, 2020 3:55AM PDT

in the last few weeks has SCIENCE revamping their 'models' and numbers....the info is out there. All they have to do is read it and they would know it's definitely time to open up again because it's nowhere near what they were told initially.

The entire shutdown was/is for nothing. Did people die...yes. Will more people die, yes. BUT the big question is.....WHAT DID THEY ACTUALLY DIE FROM? Now that time is being made to do actual autopsies, more and more are being found to have died from illnesses OTHER than the virus, and probably would have died anyhow. With lowered immune systems because of those pre-existing conditions, they had no abilities to fight it off.

THAT's SCIENCE...….....what's happening now is POLITICS....too many politicians no matter which side of the aisle are afraid for their careers if they open up and people die. They are GOING to ANYHOW no matter WHEN. Stay shut down and people die waiting for a vaccine and the country never recovers. Open up and people die and the virus gets blamed along with the politician who okayed it but the country survives.

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RE:With lowered immune systems because of those pre-existing
Apr 21, 2020 4:48AM PDT
With lowered immune systems because of those pre-existing conditions, they had no abilities to fight it off.

AND IF that darned Covid 19 hadn't come along and hastened their departure....they more than likely would still be alive today, maybe not next year...but

So, I'm going with they died of Covid 19.

RE: They are GOING to ANYHOW no matter WHEN.

They are?...Aren't WE "ALL GONNA' DIE"?

Makes everything seem kinda pointless doesn't it?

RE:Now that time is being made to do actual autopsies, more and more are being found to have died from illnesses OTHER than the virus, and

Got a link to that factoid?
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I picked your last link
Apr 21, 2020 6:05AM PDT

compared what IT stated with what YOU claimed

Your LINK stated
Dr. Birx: Gov't Is Counting Death of Anyone with Coronavirus as a COVID-19 Death, Regardless of Other Conditions

As health experts develop statistics and models to track the impact of coronavirus on America, anyone who has the disease and dies will be counted as a COVID-19 death, regardless of what actually killed them.

“There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition and let’s say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem — some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.”

Not so in the U.S., according to Birx
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YOU claimed....more and more are being found to have died from illnesses OTHER than the virus,

Your link doesn't agree with your claim.

Can you comprehend the difference?

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Show me where I said
Apr 21, 2020 6:14AM PDT

that those stats are coming ONLY from the US. Even SHE agrees with me that other countries are doing a correct count....however, there ARE some states that have begun correcting the counts because of autopsies that are finally being done.

Can YOU comprehend that the numbers reported have NEVER been accurate according to 'models' being spouted by the media and so-called experts who SHOULD know better but DIDN'T? Kinda like the 2016 election experts who kept spouting about how badly HILL would beat Trump and literally CRIED publicly when she LOST BADLY?

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RE:Show me where I said
Apr 21, 2020 7:39AM PDT

I showed you where you said

more and more are being found to have died from illnesses OTHER than the virus,

Was factually incorrect.

When you SHOULD have said

more and more are being found to have died from the virus ALONG with other illnesses ,

Got a link showing the percentage factor of the virus and the other factors played in the death?

Covid 65% heart condition 35%

Covid 1% Broken finger 99%

IF they didn't go to hospital with broken finger....they wouldn't have contracted Covid 19?

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Nope...
Apr 21, 2020 10:02AM PDT

I gave you the links to news site that have reported the FACTS regarding autopsies performed....and they show that many are being COUNTED as dying FROM the virus when in fact they died WITH the virus from OTHER causes that would have killed them anyhow. Yes, perhaps a few months later, BUT they were already in very compromised and weakened conditions from previous illnesses.

You can't spin your way out of agreeing with those facts, JP.

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RE:Yes, perhaps a few months later,
Apr 21, 2020 1:28PM PDT

Yes, perhaps a few months later AND NOT from Covid 19

Like I said....So they died a few months EARLIER shortly after contracting Covid.19.

Coincidence?...I think not.

Things were going along not too good(still above ground) then they got Covid and died....who turned the lights out?

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The person who died....
Apr 22, 2020 5:10AM PDT

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RE:The person who died
Apr 22, 2020 1:18PM PDT

The person who died BECAUSE of Covid 19.

Autopsies find first U.S. coronavirus death occurred in early February, weeks earlier than previously thought

At least two people who died in early and mid-February had contracted the novel coronavirus, health officials in California said Tuesday, signaling the virus may have spread — and been fatal — in the United States weeks earlier than previously thought.

The Santa Clara County fatalities push back the earliest coronavirus-related fatality by weeks, with the new findings potentially altering the timeline of the U.S. outbreak.

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Or, these data. All recent.
Apr 21, 2020 7:42AM PDT

(Reuters) UK's COVID-19 death toll is far higher than daily figure, data suggests
(Ditto) "New wave of infections threatens to collapse Japan hospitals". Not Third World- Japan.
(Mainichi Shimbun, Japan, via MSN.com, last night) "11 unnatural death cases in Japan in March-April were coronavirus-related: NPA"
Good thing Dr Toni isn't in charge.

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COVID POSITIVE cases
Apr 21, 2020 10:05AM PDT

are much larger in numbers than believed before now that testing has become more and more frequent....consequently the death cases 'RELATED' (operative word being used there even in Japan but not here for some reason) to the virus is actually far less than believed.

At least I'm not a fear-monger like the rest of you and the media....and I'm certainly not able to use those stats for political reasons like the Dems, WHO, and our media.

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My attorney wishes to inform you that
Apr 22, 2020 5:29AM PDT

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE is mineminemine.

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Tell your attorney
Apr 22, 2020 7:08AM PDT
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Hey! KCRW!
Apr 22, 2020 7:39AM PDT

Good old liberal public radio from Santa Monica!

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How bout the guy that claimED it's HIS decision to make
Apr 20, 2020 8:50PM PDT

NEXT

HE tells them it's their responsibility...And the Feds have nothing to do with it...except for telling them "HOW to handle it"

And now others are the ones having to/trying to jump though HIS hoops?

Why are the Feds bidding on supplies the States need?

It's a "state" responsibility, isn't it, according to DJT?

Why are HIS fingers in the pie?

Want them to handle it?...then stand back, shut HIS cakehole and take his fingers out of the pie.

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They especially, like NY,
Apr 21, 2020 3:48AM PDT

should not be demanding that the Fed pay their shortage of billions of their annual budget that was ALREADY short because they waste what they get from their taxpayers no matter how high they keep raising them. Now they have NO revenue showing up because of the lockdown and are refusing to open up any part of their state in order to GET those revenues coming back in. Not the rest of those working across the USA problem to solve for them. Any money they had before in order to prepare for an epidemic/pandemic they were warned about years ago by their own health department they spent on social programs instead of stockpiling PPE and ventilators ahead of time.

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RE:THEY?
Apr 21, 2020 4:03AM PDT

UNITED States of America?

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Greedy, irreponsible, unprepared Governors
Apr 21, 2020 5:37AM PDT

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RE:unprepared Governors
Apr 21, 2020 7:49AM PDT

How bout unprepared Presidents?

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Since YOU made that title PLURAL
Apr 21, 2020 10:10AM PDT

Tell me how BO was prepared and then responded to H1N1?

Trump got involved and responded within DAYS.....BO NEVER got involved and it ran its course.

Cuomo was WARNED in 2015-2016 about this coming to NYC and blew the money he should have used to prepare for it. Trump had NO warning and then was lied to by China AND the WHO.....but he reacted immediately after the first death. The timelines are out there to prove it....look it up.

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RE: Trump had NO warning
Apr 21, 2020 12:49PM PDT

AND IF he said he did?.....HE would deny it, BECAUSE his actions, would show him to be a bigger LIAR

Trump was never in the Boy Scouts?....Be Prepared.

It DID happen before....This was HIS chance to shine...and HE blew it.

Donald Trump says the coronavirus "came out of nowhere" and “blindsided the world.”

WASHINGTON -- Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus "came out of nowhere" and “blindsided the world.”

They've been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administration's decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.

Trump's elimination of the office suggested, along with his proposed budget cuts for the CDC, that he did not see the threat of pandemics in the same way that many experts in the field did.

Post was last edited on April 21, 2020 12:50 PM PDT

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Hitler! Obama! Trump!
Apr 22, 2020 5:31AM PDT

I get best answer again!