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In regard to a recent event (bomb scares)

Oct 26, 2018 2:52AM PDT

A general question might be "Can a person be held responsible for the irrational behavior of another to this person's words or actions?"

I'd think it would be necessary to determine what is rational and what is not. We know that, if shouting certain warnings in crowded places, people could be injured trying to escape whether the warning shout was legitimate or not. In these circumstances, there's not sufficient time to stop and look around for the threat. Thus, I'd say their quick reaction is not irrational. However, if a person realized the hoax and attacked the one perpetrated it, that would not, IMO, be rational. Now...in the case of these reportedly inert bomb devices, could their making be blamed on the claimed inspiration of another person rather than the maker, himself? How often do we hear someone say, "God made me do it", and how often does that person get off the hook for that alibi? So...what's rational here and what is not?

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RE:Can a person be held responsible
Oct 26, 2018 4:17AM PDT
Can a person be held responsible for the irrational behavior of another to this person's words or actions?"

Irrational actions begets irrational actions?

“to incite a riot”,
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That's not an answer to the question
Oct 26, 2018 4:58AM PDT

It's fairly generic and not that difficult to understand. A "yes" or "no" is perfectly acceptable but feel free to qualify either. Otherwise, I'd politely ask that you not participate.

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RE: I'd politely ask that you not participate.
Oct 26, 2018 5:06AM PDT

Then I'll leave you to talk with yourself.

And a good day to you , sir.

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No....
Oct 26, 2018 6:15AM PDT

Just as nobody blamed Bernie Sanders for the nut case who shot up the baseball field, nearly killing Scalise last year. Nor can gun mfrs be blamed for whack jobs using guns to kill or knife makers be blamed for killings using their product.

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However...blame CAN be laid on
Oct 26, 2018 6:16AM PDT

the person(s) who ENCOURAGE violence and destruction, as what happened with the OWS and Black Lives Matter crap.

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(NT) Some have read Trump's rhetoric as just that.
Oct 26, 2018 2:35PM PDT
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And some have read the same into
Oct 27, 2018 4:23AM PDT

Waters, the LIAR, BO (especially during the protests/riots of his admin), Baltimore's mayor, Holder, etc rhetoric.

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"reportedly inert bomb devices"
Oct 26, 2018 8:28AM PDT

AFAIK Here's the sole report per SE:
"I actually suggested that to my
by TONI H / October 25, 2018 2:28 AM PDT
In reply to: why change?
DIL yesterday morning when I found out that NONE had gone off.....surprisingly enough, a former SEAL team bomb expert was interviewed early evening yesterday and said the same thing stating the bombs were DESIGNED to NOT detonate.
Welcome to another October Surprise days before a major election."
I asked for a link. None yet.

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Here, however, is the BBC as of about 8:00 AM PDT.
Oct 26, 2018 8:40AM PDT

"Officials have not said whether the packages contain real bombs and investigators are working to establish whether they were capable of detonating."

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And, as to the question asked
Oct 26, 2018 9:13AM PDT

any comments about it? I was looking to see if attitudes had changed as to who could be at fault for the irrational behavior or responses of other people. Do we no longer fault a person for what he/she does by choice or can we blame another person who gave them some kind of inspiration. If you wish, you can even consider this in the context of discipleship or false discipleship. This is different from shouting "fire" in a crowded theater where folks are likely to act out of panic rather than thoughtful consideration.

The event which I referenced is one of several that have caused media and public jousting as to just whom was to blame. My own opinion would be that the one(s) who made these devices, alone, bear that responsibility even if just following the will of someone they look up to. I'll add here, and I know some will disagree, that the calls for confrontation and incivility we've been hearing are no excuse for participating in it. While it's not smart to ask for mob attacks, those who make up the mob have made a conscience decision to follow a not so smart instruction.

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Got it.
Oct 26, 2018 2:32PM PDT

I see two cases, both from life.

The law says the perp is the perp. Recently some guy was groping women because 'Trump says it's OK'. Guilty as charged, rightly so IMO. Trump? He's just a menarepigs; not a chargeable offense.
The bomb _builder_ is likewise guilty of the threat, and any damage. Trump? Just a demagogue; not chargeable except in the court of history.

Something new: A woman was convicted recently as an accessory of some kind because she encouraged an ex-boyfriend's subsequent suicide. IMO also, she was guilty of some sort of bad behavior; not sure what the law did or should call it. Since that involves the heart, there's only one proper judge of it. James addressed that in Jehovah's lawbook at 3:5-12 and 1:14,15. Note that both passages end in death for the perp ... sorry, the sinner.

IMO you're overthinking it, Steven. Stand back, watch the bad behavior in the world, but don't get involved. In the end it will be handled fully, fairly, with no collateral damage. And, in black and white, no gray area. That means only two camps. One will live forever and one will die forever. Where can we find information on getting into the right one?

This just in: The arrestee is a white male with bad taste in clothes, cars, entertainment ... How could they have narrowed down the suspect list so quickly? Happy [Couldn't resist.]

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The person who pulled the trigger
Oct 27, 2018 10:13PM PDT

So to speak.

I do think the prez/pols/media should tone down the rhetoric.
There are more than a few very impressionable people who might think it's ok to act on this rhetoric.

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People, including the president, make stupid remarks
Oct 29, 2018 2:29AM PDT

Sometimes these are actually very innocent and can sometimes be meant for a specific audience that knows and understands the manner in which a person speaks. We all have different interpretations of aside comments and can learn from the feedback generated. When working, I actually had to take courses on how to speak to customers. I always hated that as I never felt that I could just be myself. What was taught was that 'it's not what you say but what the other person hears that matters most'. Recently, there was an uproar about something Megan Kelly said on her own program having to do with children's Halloween costumes in past years. I listened over and over to the entire context of her statement and, personally, found it to be innocuous. Other folks didn't and she was put to the fire. It can happen that fast. You can look it up, listen to her actual words (in context) and compare it to how some media outlets reported it.

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When your the prez
Oct 29, 2018 4:13AM PDT

You have to connect brain to mouth before you start talking.
This guy does not.
He just says whatever pops into his head and then leaves it up to the staff to sort it out.
The media has a field day with what he said.
He gets mad and attacks the media.
The cycle repeats itself over and over.

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Perhaps it's because
Oct 29, 2018 6:30AM PDT

when Trump supporters hear what he says, they know what he MEANS; whereas the media sees/hears 'dog whistles' in every single word uttered and focus on that instead of what's really going on. That's what happened with the 2016 election coverage and why their polls were wrong every day/hour right up until the last two hours of the electoral college votes coming in. PTSD set in immediately and the same will happen again next Tuesday night....and the crying towels will come out again.

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When the Don supporters
Oct 29, 2018 7:50AM PDT

Hear what he says they accept it as fact it's what they want to hear.
They do not fact check.
That's what the media does, fact check.
If the media points out it was BS the Don supporters ignore that because it's not what they want to hear.
The media can be quite biased, left and right, about what they say or print so you have to do some reading from various sources to get a good picture.

As to what will happen Tuesday night.....I don't have a clue.... I'll leave that to people like yourself who can see the future.

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The lame street media does NOT
Oct 29, 2018 9:36AM PDT

report the actual story....they report a word or a gesture or something else mundane and rant about it as a dog whistle and they keep repeating that 'report' over and over hoping it will become a drumbeat across all the liberal media. They wind up having the exact same wording from show to show...…...

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As I said bias
Oct 29, 2018 10:08AM PDT

The lefty media will report something totally different than the righty media.
So what's your problem with that?
Is it because the lefty media does not tell you what you want to hear?

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RE:when Trump supporters hear what he says,
Oct 29, 2018 12:35PM PDT
when Trump supporters hear what he says, they know what he MEANS;

Trump supporters are mind readers? A quality unique to Trump supporters?

Ever hear this saying?

Say what you mean and mean what you say? Works for me.

I'm not much of a mind reader.

PS. How many other Trump supporters are on the same wavelength(possess the same mind reading capabilities) as the bomber?

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Refreshing isn't it?
Oct 29, 2018 11:10AM PDT

Means he doesn't take the time to think up lies like the Democrats do.

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I don't think he lies
Oct 29, 2018 11:29AM PDT

He just says stuff that pops into his head.

Take this new tax cut for the middle class which no one in the WH seems to know anything about.

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The origin of blackface in entertainment
Oct 29, 2018 10:29PM PDT

is tied to the portrayals of Blacks in the same era. That was objectionable then and now. Kelly's remarks reminded many of those "good old days"., for no good reason

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Kelly mentioned the practice
Oct 30, 2018 2:18AM PDT

citing that it was practiced by both black and white persons. She could have changed her wording from it being 'OK' to it not being objectionable as that's how I took it. Again we are trying to apply today's standards to yesterday's history. I say that's not the best idea. What is more important is how folks of bygone felt about such things. We have no business telling someone else how they should feel or should have felt.

There as an Eddie Murphy movie a while back where he was wanting to experience what his life would be like if he was a white man. You can look it up and find clips. It could be taken as making fun of white people but it was a parody just as were some skits of the past where the races were reversed. If we're open minded enough, we might even find such things to be lessons about the various cultures and how they were perceived by one another. We can learn other things from this than just how to hate. It was a form of comedy and comedy is often "playful" in that it pokes fun at our differences. We could always let that form of comedy die and be left with just the filth we hear from those in today's business. Your choice...which is better?

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I blame Liberal Media
Oct 26, 2018 3:54PM PDT

Isn't it "incitement" when you act as a propaganda unit to constantly bash a good public official, while telling lies about everything they can and spinning the news for one political opinion, aka the Democrats. That can get on anyone's nerves and some have a lot of nerve.

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(NT) ... yet many say, 'aka Trump'.
Oct 26, 2018 11:45PM PDT
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They're a part of the mix as well as are media
Oct 27, 2018 1:57AM PDT

who display an opposite viewpoint. It's still the people who get to choose who they follow. I didn't want to name names in the OP as those become like triggers that will stop some folks from any further thinking. But, the names of the recent instigators aren't hard to find. IMO, our own president is not innocent and his prefacing someone's name with some demeaning term ie, "very low IQ...", is unacceptable. Such remarks as well as those that call for confrontation and incivility are inappropriate if we are to call ourselves civilized. Still, those who answer the calls or join in the name calling are responsible for their own behavior and not the one(s) who promoted it.

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Maybe he should have sent one of these instead
Oct 27, 2018 3:27AM PDT
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Nice.
Oct 27, 2018 12:25PM PDT

Even a WW1 potato masher.
Man is known by his ... toys?

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"He adores Jews", according to his shill.
Oct 29, 2018 5:13PM PDT

From his own words, a politician who assaults a journalist is 'his kind of guy'.
From his own words, 'Mexicans are rapists'.

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Come on now ,
Oct 29, 2018 5:32PM PDT

Are these Really the Whole statements ?
Or
Just snippets from some remark he made ?

Irrelevant !
I know ! .....

So chill out and listen to Weather Report -
"A Remark You Made"