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In re terrorism:

Apr 16, 2005 3:30PM PDT

An editorial on a recent UK case. I post it because it reasonably addresses several issues of 'home security;' food for thought.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/04/17/do1704.xml
The police might not be allowed to arrest the next ricin terrorist

And, on the same electronic front page, was this story of terror with no AlQaeda connection:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/17/nbage17.xml
Girl, 16, killed in frenzied knife attack at her relative's home

Since this is all very depressing, how about just a little humor on how to escape the terrors of urban life?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/04/17/nant17.xml
Wanted: plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Must be female, used to being away from home and happy working in temperatures of -40C
(Still haven't got the tinyurl thing working.)
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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I think...
Apr 16, 2005 11:06PM PDT

...the first link is the most scariest. Example where this stuff can be really deadly --- Figure out the supermarkets if this poison is injected in cartoons of milk, fruits, deli etc., just imagine what would happen to the consumers, store owners, the business itself and the entire domino effect of it.

This is the silent type of TERRORISM, similar to anthrax craze.

Sometimes it's nice to know what is going on with the news, in the same token, SICK people reading the news can get SICK with the ideas. So, the pros/cons -- IMMITATION.


Thanks for the post.


CL

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"the first link is the most scariest"
Apr 17, 2005 8:13AM PDT

Yes, I agree, as we sit comfy in front of our computer hutches. But did you notice, in the second link, the reference to the grandparents of the previous victim? They watch the new investigation from their flat- what scares them right now? And how can Tony Blair and his excellent security forces help them sleep at night?

BTW I've been thinking about my thread on the Nigerian kids who returned a fortune (in Nigeria terms). My "unlikely source" was not "Muslim world," but Nigeria, which sets (they say) the world standard for corruption.
Just in case any might have taken offense.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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The first two links...
Apr 18, 2005 1:15AM PDT

...the typical social evils.

The third link,
Article says, "The recruitment campaign is open to men and women, but this year we are particularly looking to target women."

Single women (with no homeland major responsibilities), why not. Happy


Article also says, "Women have a civilising effect there, in the middle of nowhere. They act as emotional sounding boards for others and they reduce loutish behaviour."

Hence I am married with two boys to deal with day to day; my current professional career allows me to be in proximity with the two most important people in my life where I can best share this so called, ?civilizing effect? and emotional support that they mostly needed including others within my reach.


CL

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ricin or the like could be fed into the AC intake
Apr 18, 2005 8:58AM PDT

of a large building, maybe several at the same time.

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(NT) (NT) Doug, you have email
Apr 16, 2005 11:50PM PDT
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Got it. The reply didn't work
Apr 17, 2005 7:44AM PDT

for some reason; that happens.
Briefly: You gave me an idea; some of what you say I'm already doing. Thanks
Hope They forgive the off-topic. Happy
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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Telegraph a verrry conservative right wing paper
Apr 17, 2005 7:37AM PDT

owned by Canada's own Conrad Black (he ditched his Canadian citizenship for a knighthood). I'd be skeptical of their opinion pieces. Its sort of the equivalent of the Washington Times. Next to the Telegraph the Guardian which has been dismissed here as "left wing" is a model of accuracy, intelligence, and caution.

Rob Boyter

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Is that Manchester Guardian? I'll add it.
Apr 17, 2005 8:05AM PDT

Anyway, I try to stay neutral of the world's affairs, as to "left/right" thinking. I just want the information.
What you say is interesting, though. My take on the editorial is that the man doesn't approve of torture, but doesn't want the "liberal" court view (in a previous case) adopted, because 'the war is too important.' One argument against torture is that it often doesn't work: Too many 'false positives' by victims who just want the pain to end. In this case (if the Algerians did torture), it did work to some extent. That, in turn, can aid the 'situation ethics' people, which hasn't in past led to 'higher evolution,' IMO.

The prospect was indeed terrible, and has not ended, because there are still one or two Sad 'anti-West' folks out there.
That was my thinking in posting the second link: About two years ago Mr. Blair "showed the flag" at that housing project (as we call them), but still no security for those people. Not from MI5, not from the Coalition, not from God.

I thought the article was well done, and covered IMO other facets of "homeland security," many of which have been discussed heatedly here, so I thought many SEers might appreciate the read.

And of course my clumsily-hidden agenda is always to point out- with sadness, not gloating- that man hasn't solved his own problems, and doesn't seem likely to.

And here are questions for you unreconstructed pagan evolutionists, as to my third link:
Why did evolution give us an appreciation for the beauty of 'several different shades of blue ice' in a godforsaken (!) place like the Antarctic? And why did She (Mrs. Darwin) give us the ability to communicate that feeling to each other? Absolutely no survival value in either.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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More relevant input:
May 1, 2005 2:59PM PDT

Earlier I posted this annotated link:
"An editorial on a recent UK case. I post it because it reasonably addresses several issues of 'home security;' food for thought.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/04/17/do1704.xml
The police might not be allowed to arrest the next ricin terrorist"
on this thread.
Now comes a UK citizen with a story to tell that illustrates other problems of allowing torture:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/05/02/ntort02.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/05/02/ixhome.html
"A former City tax adviser who was tortured in Saudi Arabia has been told the Government will side with the Saudis against him in his fight for justice."
Note also: "The Government's stance could be bad news for another seven men who say they were also tortured until they confessed to a series of bombings which have since been blamed on al-Qa'eda."
A more violent world encourages more violent responses, which often turn out counterproductive.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico