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I'm upgrading some old iron. What would you like?

An old HP d4999t has come back and it has the following:
CPU Q9300 Core2Quad @ 2.5GHz
RAM 4GB of 4x1GB DDR2 333MHz clocked sticks.
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit.
GPU Nvidia GT 240 1GB
HDD Seagate ST3750630AS with the usual 01 and 07 issues. 750GB.
Twin DVDRW drives and 3.5 inch floppy drive.

The first step is to let W10 fully update. Then I'll post the Userbenchmark and Web Speccy results.

But what members can request is what I change first.

I have the following for the beast:
1. Nice single rail PSU. I have the P3 Watt Meter so I will post at least the idle power draw and if the machine will deliver a Furmark test.
In the first stock test I'll share the stock PSU and the machine as above to get a starting benchmark.

2. Some SSD drive. Might be 250GB.

3. Some 1050 Ti 4GB DDR4 video card.

4. 8G of RAM for this PC. 4x2GB DDR2 set.

5. I found a liquid CPU cooler for the Q9300. If Furmark or such shows high CPU temps, this goes in.

-> Here's where I might change the upgrades. I think I will do this in steps where I change each area at a time then repeat the power measurements along with results from Web Speccy and Userbenchmark. If the power draw goes too close to the stock PSU then I'll change the PSU then but not before.

So folk. What to change first?

Be back in some hours as this will take time to update to the latest W10.

PS. The Seagate with the SMART values 01 and 07 way out of whack is causing issues and hampering the work. That means the SSD looks to the first upgrade after we get some benchmarks in this discussion.

Post was last edited on November 27, 2018 8:27 PM PST

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Hmmm, Is this a test

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To see what we have learned under your expert tutelage ? Cool

So, let's put it on a piece of cardboard after tossing the floppy, at least 1 DVD drive and the HDD ( after migrating Win 10 to SSD ) .

It looks to be a 460 watt PSU , that Q9300 draws 95 watts , the 1050 draws 75 so that's less than half the draw available on the PSU when it was new . I don't know what it takes to run the cooler though .

Hope the new RAM works , the boost to dual channel and speed coupled with the 1050 ti and SSD would be tremendous .

This is always exciting to me ,I love building spare part comps and resurrecting old ones , I just have a hard time finding folks that want towers these days , of course , this is a Win 10 comp so different .
We can't keep them all lol

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Thanks.

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It's not a dead PC. It's just an interesting opportunity to see what we do to some old iron. My work gave me this chance and I know a lot of folk have old desktops that could use such upgrades.

So no need to pull the motherboard out. This machine is in prime condition. One of the best ways to start.

The PSU is indeed that size and I'll confirm soon. My extra credit bonus information is going to come from my Wattage measurements. Some folk want to run the 1050 Ti without a PSU change. I can check that out since I have the usual P3 Watt meter.

Stay tuned.

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So this comp had Vista

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upgraded to 7 even 8.1 , and now upgrading to 10 , NICE ! I did that on the old Tosh .
This ole' comp is gonna rock Wink
You should be making a Youtube Tutorial .

"This Old Comp"
Featuring ...
Bob ....

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The story behind this desktop is a long one.

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I think it came with W7Pro so when the offer to 10 was made we took it.

I wish I could take the time to do the YouTube but that's a lot of work, etc.

For CNET members I'm going to change parts as needed and maybe someone will ask for a specific upgrade to be down before the others but it's looking like the Seagate 750GB is the first part to go since it's (a) showing the bad values in the Speccy plus (b) acting just like we know with those bad values. Slow when the HDD is in use. This would dog the rest of the work so after W10 updates to 1803 then I'll post the Web Speccy and UserBenchmark results to show what we started with.

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Starting condition. Outdated OS. Bad HDD.

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1. Speccy http://speccy.piriform.com/results/fd2oW1DCpYOV3OLQ8l5vuss
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12466629
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=634003
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/bTJ5a0C.png
Notice the Temperature of the GPU went from 39 to 55C during testing. Not bad for that old card.
4. POWER readings. Max: 1.32A or 160W max during tests.
Idle: .69A or 83W.

Sorry about adverts but Furmark has to be in the mix to show if there is any stability issue.

Post was last edited on November 27, 2018 9:56 PM PST

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Change: Windows 10 is now at 1803

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The OS is now Windows 10 1803. Same hardware so it's not likely to show any improvements.
The HDD is garbage so the next time I post it will be one change. The HDD will be cloned to a SSD.

1. Speccy http://speccy.piriform.com/results/MvzsgTxwe5IPJD85eGEsuyH
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12480936
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=634309
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/ufiDs7q.png
Notice the Temperature of the GPU went from 38 to 53C during testing. Not bad for that old card.
4. POWER readings. Max: 1.32A or 160W max during tests.
Idle: .69A or 83W.
5. Boot time from cold to desktop: 66 seconds.

Sorry about adverts but Furmark has to be in the mix to show if there is any stability issue.

Post was last edited on November 28, 2018 4:23 PM PST

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SSD installed, bad old HDD out.

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GTX 1050 Ti installed. The new SSD is in.

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GTX 1050 Ti installed. The new SSD is in.
We know that more RAM can help GPU and disk scores so this is the next to last run with just 4GB RAM.
Note: When I install a new GPU I use DDU to clean off the drivers before I install latest Nvidia Geforce Experience and Drivers.

1. Speccy http://speccy.piriform.com/results/6Vb371sNv5f8R8VxfA4KBCt
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12491491
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=634499 (Note FPS went from 9 to 43 in Furmark.)
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/e5KG6OU.png
Notice the Temperature of the GPU went from 25C to 50C during testing. Not bad at all.
4. POWER readings. Max: 1.43A or 173W max during tests.
Idle: .58A or 70W.
5. Boot time from cold to desktop: 35 seconds.

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8GB in. GTX 1050 Ti installed. The new SSD is in.

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8GB in. GTX 1050 Ti installed. The new SSD is in.

1. Speccy http://speccy.piriform.com/results/ekd4UXPMdEUEFdkyPkC0zqQ
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12491995
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=634506
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/36JsMVO.png
Notice the Temperature of the GPU went from 25C to 49C during testing. Not bad at all.
4. POWER readings. Max: 1.46A or 177W max during tests.
Idle: .56A or 68W.
5. Boot time from cold to desktop: 33 seconds.
6. New Benchmark. Uniengine Superposition 2017. Score 5453
Imgur: https://i.imgur.com/kofQEN0.png

Post was last edited on December 3, 2018 3:59 PM PST

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The Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB is installed.

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The machine is same as above but with the GTX 1060 6GB GPU.
I used the model at this link:PNY NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB XLR8 Gaming Overclocked Graphics Card VCGGTX10606XGPB-OC2 Cost: 259USD to my door.

1. Speccy Link: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/kUfKmGc8YgSWSoBs1gWxOkR
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12634930
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=637245
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/rf2VXVc.png
4 POWER readings. Nas:2.07A or 250W max during tests.
Idle: .60A or 72.6W
5. Boot time still about 33 seconds,
6. New Benchmark Uniengine Superposition 2017. Score 6745
Imgur: https://i.imgur.com/aM8Ufei.png

Other comparison on the web at https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1060-6GB-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/3639vs3649

This GPU to be precise:

NEW GPU. GTX 1060 6GB, SSD, 8GB RAM, Core2Quad CPU.

Post was last edited on December 3, 2018 5:19 PM PST

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Let's put this on the UHD 4K Monitor. Will it burn?

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The machine is same as above but with the UHD 4K Monitor!

1. Speccy Link: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/bJ0gqUPhtZJk3RhTuGHqEsV
2. Userbenchmark https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12637467
3. Furmark http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=637282
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/9e3Pn9i.png
4 POWER readings. Nas:2.07A or 250W max during tests.
Idle: .60A or 72.6W So far no changes here.
5. Boot time still about 33 seconds,
6. New Benchmark Uniengine Superposition 2017. Score 3811
Imgur: https://i.imgur.com/pz7zoFc.png

Observations: There is a big hit to the UHD 4K Monitor runs,
Furmark went from 75 FPS down to 26.
Superposition went from 50 FPS average to 28 FPS average.

All through these tests I never got the feeling the CPU was hampering the test results.

PS: Added with edit. There's something that did not work along the way. My bet is it's this old machine's BIOS. The DisplayPort output is not waking up the UHD 4K monitor. This is not an issue since the monitor is only 60Hz and we only need DisplayPort if we were going for 144Hz.

Post was last edited on December 5, 2018 9:44 AM PST

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PCIe x1 SATA 3 test, Slower so that's coming out.

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That's exactly

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What I found when I tested one of those pcie sata3 cards.

I just went back to the native sata2 ports on the mobo.

I was not about to replace the mobo just to get sata3 and open that can of worms.

Test this.
https://github.com/CyberShadow/trimcheck

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Q9450 CPU Upgrade. Tests follow.

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This is as above but with the Core2Quad changed from Q9300 to Q9450 (2.5GHz to 2.66GHz.) This was one of those last upgrades possible and for 30 bucks let's see if it helped.

1. Speccy report: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/KzD4SDy2qq11hZn1WbpTFlI
2, Userbenchmark: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/13917952
3: Furmark: http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=664463
Image (Ad free) https://i.imgur.com/qK0dJ8L.png
4. Power readings. 2.12A @121V or 256W.
5. Boot time: 29 to 30 seconds.
6. New Benchmark UniEngine as above: Score 7540
Picture: https://i.imgur.com/4ujp3Yk.png

Not a lot of change but if anyone thinks there's a CPU bottleneck the benchmarks seem to keep the GPU cranking at 99% usage.

Post was last edited on January 17, 2019 8:32 PM PST

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Just curious

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If I look at the speccy for the 1060 I see

Physical memory > 2GB
Virtual memory > 2GB

What do those numbers mean?

The card claims to have 6GB of memory.

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THAT!

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That is one of the long standing issues with many of these tools. They can be wrong.

It's a long story stretching back decades. At one time Microsoft wanted the PC industry to standardize how you detected hardware. The PC makers of cards and more didn't want to do that even if the cost was a penny a board. The way the PCs identify hardware is very haphazard. Still that way today.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/12637467#GRAPHICS_CARD notes it's 4GB or greater.
https://imgur.com/pz7zoFc and http://www.ozone3d.net/gpudb/score.php?which=637282 report 6GB.

Hope this helps.

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(NT) Thanks

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Clone

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You must have done some serious cleaning before running the clone.

Seems that about 100GB of data is missing.

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Could be the OS update.

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From initial to now there's an W10 update to 1803. Microsoft keeps the old OS until 30 days pass and since the initial till now has seen 3 OS updates I might have to look into if a Disk Cleanup will clear some space.

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Something got tossed

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Look at your used storage space at the start and look at it now.

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You know what I'd do

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Post was last edited on November 27, 2018 9:32 PM PST

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The SSD is in the list of upgrades.

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Is there some Linux equivalents for the 3 tests I'm offering to do?
But since distros vary so much, I get the feeling that I could be in benchmark hell if I tried the top 10 at DistroWatch.

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Not to mention

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that you may choose to do some gaming since you have the liquid cooler,Ram and the 1050 .
Win 10 would be my choice too !

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A note about the liquid cooler.

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That item just landed in my lap and was unplanned. The current CPU temps are very nice. So the first thing to swap is the HDD to SSD since it's been 8 hours and Windows 10, version 1803 is at 77% of its update.

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some come with benchmark tests

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If asking for faster linux distros, most common for lighter versions might be Lubuntu and Puppy. There's a program called System Information that includes 6 different benchmarking abilities in it. The terminal command is

hardinfo

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CLONING UNDERWAY.

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Updates look to be later today as the clone software says it will finish about 4 hours from now. The slowness appears to be because of the bad old HDD.

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Hours later.

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What program did you use

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to clone the new SSD ? Did it really take 4 hours ?
Us Noobs need to know these things Devil

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OOPS !

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I see it now Blush

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It was just under 4 hours. Causes: Bad HDD, USB 2.0 ports.

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And my best guess reason for the time is the bad Seagate HDD was just that slow. In the first Speccy report skip down to the SMART Values 01 and 07 to see a HDD that is in trouble and causes troubles.

Here's the kit I used: https://www.amazon.com/Apricorn-Notebook-Upgrade-Connection-ASW-USB3-25/dp/B005C983NA

PS. It's just a bad combination of bad HDD and limited speed by the USB 2.0 ports. I don't care it takes time. I set it up and go do something else.

Post was last edited on December 3, 2018 5:35 PM PST

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