Illegals granted Social Security

If they are illegal, they used fraudulent SS#'s. If they pay in but get nothing out, tough tooties -- it is a small compensation for all the other costs their criminal fraud has wrought.

The penalty for a citizen committing SS fraud would be pretty steep. Why should they get a free pass?

send all them to Canada let them invade there
then see how smug and holier than though they be

here in Canada.

We sure as heck do not have those ludicrous demonstrations that you cousins have south of us.

Nor do we waste valuable time debating the issue.

We have a system in place and if the system deems you to be illegal, its sayonara.

end of converstion.

personally i think that anyone who is illegal should have their sorry butts tossed back to from whence they came.

a former legal immigrant.

the pc crowd here and some smucks think its ok to invade, heck they evan help them.
say there deprived in mexico say we have so much.
and if you aresst one its imoral

I wonder where the money goes? Maybe the employers put it in their pockets?

that's how Social Security works. It's not like they hold on to the money you put in and pay it back to you in the future. They spend it on all kinds of things including paying off the current folks who are eligible.

That's why it's in trouble.

The fake numbers will either generate checks that never get cashed, or checks that DO, but by WHOM (if the sysrem survives until then)?

legitimate ones, so the payments actually get credited to someone else.

Not saying they all do, but I'm pretty sure many or most do. And some, as planned in more careful identity creation, are SS# of people that died.


Roger

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... not on a large scale anyway. Even an inefficient bureaucracy would likely catch (when they go to do the calculations for that "you'll make this much when you retire" mailing) that XYZ is working simultaneously in NY and TX.

I've heard where the SSA sends out notices to employers when certain SSN's don't match any in their database. But (and the illegal supporters will tout this as a benefit of turning a blind eye to them)

The more this gets discussed, the angrier and more hard line I get. Americans get jailed or bankrupted every day for breaking tax laws ... we'll make them pay a fine and back taxes. I dunno what the penalty for SS fraud is, but it should be severe. But we'll forgive that and, heck, even credit them for what they paid in while oommitting the fraud! It costs most legal immigrants a couple of thousand at least to go through the legal channels, but heck, let's just try to convince people that the illegals will be "paying their share" with a little fine.

We don't OWE them anything. I'm willing to pay more for a head of lettuce or the meal in a restaurant, etc. Make it next-to-impossible for illegals to work here (and thus send money back home via the ATM). Problem solved. They will go back.

Evie

Just surfing and found this.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/24/103127.shtml

Tom

It seems to me that the SSA and IRS know that bogus numbers are used, but they know that because the employers are hiring "legals" and filing the forms with the IRS/SSA. I'm not sure why we have to staple the W2's to the income tax form -- it's all reported to the IRS (as are all dividend, cap gains, etc. on 1099's). Nobody is exempt from Medicare and FICA withholding -- so I don't see how the companies could pocket that money if the employee is "in the system". Same with tax withholding. If there's one thing the government keeps good tabs on its getting their money. They just aren't too interested in "giving it back" to someone that doesn't file a tax return, etc.

Evie

How many people has the IRS gone after for failing to report all their income because someone else used their SS# ? The W-2 of the bogus worker would go to their bogus address but the money made still gets connected with your SS#.

Tom

.... more likely the SSN's are "inactive". Most citizens have to file income tax returns yearly even if they end up not paying any income tax in the end and getting all withholdings back. I would think that if someone else was reporting income on my SSN, then if they went after ME for that income, it would be pretty easy to "catch" that someone else was using mine. Hope that makes sense.

Evie

My point, as in what I have read, is the government's right hand has no clue as to what the left hand is doing, and they are not going to voluntarily share any info, claiming "citizens privacy." Yet the amendment that was tabled would have been a step towards helping prevent identity theft. And until they are forced to deal with the illegal immigration problem there will continue to be identity theft and once in a while a blind luck prosecution of stolen SS#'s. I don't know, but I'm getting pretty fed up with the 2 political choices we have. Did you notice Prez hopeful McCain voted to kill the amendment?

Tom

... I agree with your assessment about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, but, I don't see that being the issue here.

I've filed several tax returns (mostly it's the non-resident form for another state that I can't seem to get right) where my amount I owed was more than what I had figured out. (Thankfully it just meant getting a smaller refund than I expected so no penalties.) Each time, the state's revenue service has corrected my return and refunded me the corrected amount in an almost eerily prompt manner. About two days after I filed that return this year I realized I made a huge error that will result in a significant swing in my favor -- several hundred dollars. You wanna bet I'll be getting an "amended return" along with a check in a few weeks? LOL

My guess is that the IRS knows that it is receiving witheld tax on bogus SSN's. It doesn't care. It has the money and it's unlikely that had they filed a "legit" return the person would owe more money. Why waste money going after them when you got "free money"?? Same for the SSA. It's a selling point of the pro-illegal lobby, BTW, that they pay FICA and won't be getting any. I don't see this as a problem of the SSA not knowing where the illegals are, etc. (or the IRS) ... more like they don't CARE to really know because they have the money!

Yes, I saw McCain -- a video clip -- defending his position which is indefensible. Too bad the interviewer didn't have the presence of mind to ask him what he thought the penalty should be for the SS fraud.

Evie

A couple of things that I heard on the radio.

One accountant was having fits because illegals had used some of her clients' SSNs and trying to prove to the IRS that her clients didn't earn this money and shouldn't owe taxes on it.

Another one was the HR person that got a list of bogus SSNs from the government every year and was told to do nothing about them. Just identify the people.

The reason for the second was because the government is collecting taxes and SS from these people that will never collect (unless the new law holds up) so it keeps filling up the government coffers.

Diana

... unless the employer knows the SSN is not legit and is only withholding as a farce.

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It's the premium they pay on their unpunished crime and helps allay by a pittance the cost to our government and our people in trying to control the invasion our country is currently suffering at a greater outrage than even previously. No, I don't care they pay money to OUR social security fund when it's from jobs they HAVE taken, especially in the construction industry from OUR citizens.
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Perhaps a better question might be did employers who hired illegals with bogus Social Security numbers give the money they said they withheld to the government.

Pickup labor is often for cash and nothing withheld.

Temporary or pernament labor in a more industrial type work probably does get turned over. The employer will have to really juggle the books and is at the additional risk of being proven to KNOWINGLY hire illegals. A small penality often enough, but if they collect taxes from everyone the same, they can easily claim they had no idea.

Besides, one the company is big enough (and not that large nowadays), the accounting and reporting is pretty automated. Time goes in on employee number, the computer figures the rest and does the check. And I'd bet all the taxes from different employees are lumped together automatically and paid.


Roger

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It can be if you know how the scam works. It goes arm-in-arm with "shorting" them on the hours worked. They also deduct money for withholding and put it in their pocket. They know that an illegal with a bogus SS number won't take the chance of getting caught by filing an income tax return.
Similar scam that is seen in many restraaunts: Ever pay cash at the register and watch the man behind the counter put the cash in a box or something instead of the register? He's keeping that transaction "off the books" so they won't have to pay tax on it in their profit paperwork. Now, stop and think. The check has sales tax added into it in the total in many cases. So not only did the business save the tax on profit when they put that money in the box but they also profited the sales tax that you paid but also went into that off the books amount.

some wake ups needed

I'll be interested to hear what you say IF Democrats get more votes than Republicans.

vote out the people who said yae
and i hope you have fun