General discussion

Illegals going back by the planeload

Ana Ortega left here for the USA 14 years ago. She never thought she'd return, much less like this: in handcuffs and ankle shackles, on a U.S. government jet with 49 others whose criminal convictions got them deported from the USA.




USA TODAY Snapshot
How many prizes will be given out at the 77th Academy Awards on Feb. 27?
More USA TODAY Snapshots

Ortega, 27, said that she was a legal permanent U.S. resident and that until recently she was an office manager for a chiropractor in Boston's Dorchester neighborhood. Four years ago, she was convicted of conspiracy for being a bit player in a drug-smuggling ring. Her husband, a U.S. citizen and repeat offender, received 10 years in prison; she got probation. She was ordered to appear at a deportation hearing, but she skipped it.

In another time - before the Sept. 11 attacks focused attention on lax enforcement of immigration laws - she probably would have been free to continue living in the USA with her two young children. U.S. agents rarely pursued hundreds of thousands of fugitives like Ortega. That's what happened in her case for nearly three years - before agents showed up at her door seven months ago.

wonder if they get frequent flier miles?

by bye

Discussion is locked

Reply to: Illegals going back by the planeload
PLEASE NOTE: Do not post advertisements, offensive materials, profanity, or personal attacks. Please remember to be considerate of other members. If you are new to the CNET Forums, please read our CNET Forums FAQ. All submitted content is subject to our Terms of Use.
Reporting: Illegals going back by the planeload
This post has been flagged and will be reviewed by our staff. Thank you for helping us maintain CNET's great community.
Sorry, there was a problem flagging this post. Please try again now or at a later time.
If you believe this post is offensive or violates the CNET Forums' Usage policies, you can report it below (this will not automatically remove the post). Once reported, our moderators will be notified and the post will be reviewed.
- Collapse -
They should be sent back the same way they came here,

but in cuffs and shackles. There is no reason why we should have to fork-out one more dime than absolutely necessary to sent them on their way.

Captured intruders in Mexico don't even get treated that well.

- Collapse -
(NT) (NT) don't let the door hit you...
- Collapse -
I like

the proposals by a lot of the immigrant goups in the Southwest that the US needs to establish waystations for people who happen to be wandering across the desert at the border, so they won't run the risk of dying of heat exhaustion or dehydration.

- Collapse -
(NT) (NT)Is there a safe long distance tracer in the water?
- Collapse -
i like the hope

that there country stops them from comeing here

- Collapse -
Southwest!! "Making a stand on the border"

On our front page newspaper Monday.
"Minuteman Project aims to police migrants in Arizona, but leaders reject vigilante label".

"They've cut down her fences, stolen her pickup and even broken into her home ? once rampaging into the bedroom and nearly strangling her, sparing her life only after she grabbed a gun.

Not so lucky were several loyal dogs that were killed by the determined invaders.

Local authorities offered little help, and federal officers could do only so much with limited resources."

If needed to login:
Password: speaktime

- Collapse -
I assume the Statue of Liberty will be next?

So much for "Give us your Tired, your Poor, your Huddled Masses, yearning to breathe free."

Rob Boyter

- Collapse -
Well maybe they can ammend that a bit

"Give us your Tired, your Poor, your Huddled Masses, yearning to breathe free. Oh yeah, and let illegals in, too."

- Collapse -
It doesn't say "break the laws".

Which is what illegals are doing, by definition. I'm all for letting people come here to work and be productive members of society, legally.

- Collapse -
i know lets send them to canada

let the canadians feed them since there such a great country

- Collapse -
no prob if you learn to read

it said illegals not lawfull entry

hope you have your green card gringo send you back to cuba

- Collapse -
So how many should we take?

I'm not in favor of closing immigration, but I wonder at what levels the USA can continue to absorb them. You point out elsewhere that other countries (Japan and European particularly) have better economies and more charitable upclass than we do.

Immigration is not bad, but while the USA isn't as crowded as other countries based on a people per sqare mile index, we're also no longing expanding into new territories. (Unless of course you take all the world epitahs of imperilistic motives and actions seriously.)

Illegal immigration is a problem. But there is more here than that. She was arrested for illegal activities, even if it seems as a minor cog in a wheel. She chose not to show up for a deportation hearing, perhaps figuring no one would bother to come looking for her if she didn't. U.S. agents rarely pursued hundreds of thousands of fugitives like Ortega.

The reaction to such now may be overboard in some cases, but IF SO, it's partly as a backlash to all the criticism for not doing more about illegals before 9/11.

...more than half of those deported last year had criminal records, a reflection of ICE's emphasis on booting such people from the country. The jet that brought Ortega back here also included convicted drug dealers, sex offenders, robbers and wife beaters.

Now this is perhaps a bit more worrisome- As ICE agents have pursued criminals who are in the USA illegally, they also have swept up record numbers of illegal immigrants who have committed no crimes other than violations of visa limits and other immigration laws.

They are illegal immigrants, and everyone is still probably a bit paranoid about such still. Does that suprise you? It's still true they have no legal right to be in the USA, but they bother me less than many criminals who are also illegal aliens suspected or known to be somewhere in the USA but unlocatable.

Whether or not any consideration for leeway in this particular case would also have to consider any other actions in her past in the USA. But that was forfeited by not showing up for her hearing wasn't it? I'm sure she felt there was better odds of being ignored than winning a the hearing. Maybe there were, but not anymore.

It's going to be a hard road to map. But deporting a criminal who is not a citizen isn't repudiating the contribution immigrants have made to the USA.



click here to email

- Collapse -
(NT) (NT) Can we deport criminal citizens as well?
- Collapse -
are they here legally? if yes no

but lets start with the democrats they can go 1st

- Collapse -

These kind of comments are inflammatory and detract from the discussion. Please stick to topic. Thanks! Happy

Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email the mods

- Collapse -
(NT) (NT) no worse than deporting criminals was that on topic!
- Collapse -
That's all "discussable".
- Collapse -

Cindi has a point, putting politics (democrats) in the discussion is sort of like DaveK's old posts of putting a jab of politics in just about anything. Wink

Being a old Nam vet, did you read my post above about the 'Minutemen' label, and they may be forming in Texas soon after the Arizona experiment. Some Ranchers do have a problem.

- Collapse -
im all in faver guess ill get some heat

the ileagles need to stay in there own country.
let them apply like the other imigrants did .

- Collapse -
(NT) (NT) Agree, & you should get no heat saying that.

CNET Forums

Forum Info