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by JP Bill / April 5, 2005 12:24 PM PDT

To visit Canada, or the US if you're Canadian, in a couple of years

U.S. passport rule draws fire

TORONTO (CP) ? Canadians will soon require a passport to enter the United States as Washington pushes forward with a controversial homeland security measure that critics fear could choke off tourist traffic from both sides of the border.

The new rules, announced Tuesday by the U.S. State Department in Washington, will also require Americans to show a passport to border officials upon their return home ? and could prove disastrous for impromptu cross-border travel, observers warn.

?It?s going to be the casual visitor, the spontaneous visitor, the ordinary citizen who will be injured by this,? former U.S. congressman John Lafalce said from Buffalo, N.Y., a short drive from the busy Peace Bridge border crossing at Fort Erie, Ont.

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(NT) (NT) well if it helps im all for it but the long wait beats
by Mark5019 / April 5, 2005 1:04 PM PDT
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What ever happened to the principle of whose ox gets gored
by Ziks511 / April 5, 2005 11:15 PM PDT

Here I am a middle aged white guy and I'm going to have to show passports coming and going. I know racial profiling is deemed unacceptable but surely we could work out a better solution than to make sure all the people who don't have easy access to false documents are inconvenienced, while those intent on harm breeze through because they have the correct false documentation. Its backwards.

Rob Boyter

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Showing passports coming and going ...
by Evie / April 5, 2005 11:34 PM PDT

... I wouldn't have a problem with this actually. Used to be when we went to Canada we just took our birth certificates with us "just in case". My in-laws brought their citizenship papers as well (far more scrutiny during Cold War for them) even in the early 90's they worried. In the numerous trips we made pre-9/11, never once did they ask for ID. Last couple of visits we checked the website to make sure we had proper ID which could be a license and birth certificate. They now check both for all passengers in the vehicle. However given that illegals can get DL's in some states, and there is definitely no uniformity of birth certificates, it would be relatively easy for a terrorist bent on doing harm to obtain a fake BC and thus easy passage. If they are here on a VISA, then they have a passport form their originating country. Makes more sense. Sadly, time has come to require passports for international travel or issue some sort of uniform federal citizenship papers to those born here in the US, and vice versa for Canada. Of course one could get a fake passport, but that's much more difficult to do with a uniform ID that can be updated with various security features than it is for a birth certificate which could be manufactured for the timeframe of one's age and the state seal fairly easily duplicated.

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How is this going to hurt the casual visitor?
by Evie / April 5, 2005 11:37 PM PDT

Hopefully Canada will reciprocate and require the passport from US to Canada so nobody "casually" finds themselves in Canada w/o their US passport. As explained in my post to Rob, the current forms of ID are too easily obtained. Perhaps citizenship papers can be issued to those like myself that are born here, but it seems more efficient to expand the system already in place for travel outside the country!

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Response
by JP Bill / April 6, 2005 12:17 AM PDT
?We will review our requirements for American citizens, and we?re going to do that in collaboration with the United States,? McLellan said outside the House of Commons.

It will be an inconvience and an expense to get the new ID, Many people that live near the border carryout work and business very close to the border and cross the border "on an impulse, not planned" and may not be carrying proper ID at all times. Depending on what is classified as valid ID.
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maybe a Canadian could clarify this for me?
by jonah jones / April 6, 2005 1:15 AM PDT

#By the end of this year, Canadians will need a passport or other ?secure document? to travel by air or sea to destinations in the Caribbean, Bermuda, Central or South America if the trip includes a U.S. stopover#

i can somehow understand the Caribbean and Bermuda, but south america????

it reads as if today a canadian can walk into montreal airport and fly to argentina, chile, peru wherever without a passport??

jonah

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Not sure but
by JP Bill / April 6, 2005 4:57 AM PDT

I think a passport was needed, but the qualifier is the "stopping over in the US part, It would require a different security check". US would not let certain people with a record into the country, that other countries might overlook.

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(NT) (NT) I feel safer already
by Dan McC / April 6, 2005 2:46 AM PDT
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Off subject, kind of?.
by kmarchal / April 6, 2005 3:10 AM PDT

If you do go to Canada to visit Niagara Falls stay at the Sheraton Fallsview Hotel and get a room overlooking the falls with a fireplace (especially for anniversary trips you will definitely roll a 7 in this room). The downside was the check point guard did not like buckaroos from Texas.

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