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IE7 and IE8 not working!!

by kapmsd / December 26, 2009 8:29 PM PST

Hi guys!!
First Of all,I thank once again for your inputs for solving one of my previous problem.
Now,
I am using IE7 but only few days now, it is not working always "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" (Chrome is working fine at the same time)
I tried installing IE8 but the problem remains the same.
What might be the problem causing these IEs not to work when other browsers are working at the same session?

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Malware
by Jimmy Greystone / December 26, 2009 11:03 PM PST

Malware is the obvious answer given the details. It's a plague on Internet Explorer users, which generally doesn't affect people using other browsers. There are probably tens of thousands, if not hundreds or millions, of different malware programs for IE, while every other browser combined probably has fewer than a dozen.

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Re: IE7 and IE8 not working!!
by kapmsd / December 27, 2009 12:17 AM PST
In reply to: Malware

Any suggestion to rectify the problem?
I tried out many famous anti-malware softwares but no use??

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Several
by Jimmy Greystone / December 27, 2009 12:41 AM PST

Several actually. They generally start with formatting your system, because malware today tends to root itself so deep into the OS that getting rid of it can be impossible, and even if you can get rid of it, complete restoration of functionality is not guaranteed. After you format, here's several tips to help avoid this problem in the future.

TIPS FOR A PROBLEM FREE COMPUTING EXPERIENCE
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The more of these suggestions you follow, the fewer problems you should have. They won't solve any existing problems you have, but if you follow them all you should be able to avoid virtually all problems in the future.

Things you should NOT do
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1: Use Internet Explorer (1)
2: Use any browser based on Internet Explorer (e.g. Maxathon and MSN Explorer)
3: Use Outlook or Outlook Express (2)
4: Open email attachments you haven't manually scanned with your virus scanner
5: Open email attachments you were not expecting, no matter who they appear to be from
6: Respond to spam messages, including using unsubscribe links
7: Visit questionable websites (e.g. porn, warez, hacking)
8: Poke unnecessary holes in your firewall by clicking "Allow" every time some program requests access to the Internet (3)
9: Click directly on links in email messages
10: Use file sharing or P2P programs
11: Use pirated programs

Things you SHOULD do
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1: Use a non-IE or IE based browser (4)
2: Always have an up to date virus scanner running (5)
3: Always have a firewall running (6)
4: Install all the latest security updates (7)(8)(9)
5: Delete all unsolicited emails containing attachments without reading
6: Manually scan all email attachments with your virus scanner, regardless of whether it's supposed to be done automatically
7: Copy and paste URLs from email messages into your web browser
8: Inspect links copied and pasted into your web browser to ensure they don't seem to contain a second/different address
9: Establish a regular backup regimen (10)(11)
10: Make regular checks of your backup media to ensure it is still good (12)

Being a considerate Internet user & other online tips
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1: Do not send attachments in emails (13)(14)
2: Do not use stationary or any other kind of special formatting in emails (13)
3: Do not TYPE IN ALL CAPS (15)
4: Avoid texting speak or "l33t speak" (16)
5: Do not poke sleeping bears (17)
6: Do not use registry cleaners/fixers/optimizers (18)(19)

Offline tips and suggestions
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1: Avoid buying Acer, HP. Compaq, Gateway, and eMachines computers (20)(21)(22)(23)
2: Avoid sub-$500 systems that aren't netbooks or part of some limited time price promotion (24)

Notes
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(1) Sadly sometimes this is unavoidable, so only use IE when the site absolutely will not work with any other browser and you cannot get that information/service anywhere else, and only use IE for that one specific site.
(2) Outlook and Outlook Express are very insecure, and basically invite spam. The jury is still out on Vista's Windows Mail, but given Microsoft's history with email programs, extreme caution is advised. Possible replacements include Mozilla Thunderbird, Eudora, The Bat, and dozens of others.
(3) When it doubt over whether or not to allow some program, use Google to find out what it is and whether or not it needs access to the Internet. Otherwise, denying access is the safest course of action, since you can always change the rule later.
(4) On Windows your options include: Mozilla Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, Flock, Chrome, and Safari. I would personally recommend Firefox with the NoScript extension for added security, but it the important thing is to pick one and use it instead of IE.
(5) AVG Free and Avast are available if you need a decent free virus scanner
(6) XP/Vista's firewall is probably good enough for 99% of all Windows users, but other options include ZoneAlarm, Outpost Firewall, and Comodo. If you have a router with a firewall built into it, there is no need for any of the aforementioned firewalls to be running.
(7) Microsoft's usual system is to release security updates every second Tuesday of the month.
(8) Use of Windows Update on Windows operating systems prior to Windows Vista requires Internet Explorer, and is thus a valid exception to the "No IE" rule.
(9) Service packs should ALWAYS be installed. They frequently contain security updates that will ONLY be found in that service pack.
(10) You can go with a full fledged backup program, or simply copying important files onto a CD/DVD/Flash drive.
(11) I'd recommend a tiered backup system. For example, you might have 5 rewritable DVDs, and every day you burn your backup onto a new disc. On the 6th day, you erase the disc for Day #1 for your backup, and so on so that you have multiple backups should one disc ever go bad.
(12) Replace rewritable CDs and DVDs approximately every 3-6 months.
(13) These dramatically increase the size of email messages (2-3X minimum) and clog up email servers already straining to cope with the flood of spam pouring in daily.
(14) If you want to share photos with friends/family, upload them to some photo sharing site like Flickr or Google's Picasa Web and then send people a link to that particular photo gallery.
(15) This is considered to be the same as SHOUTING and many people find it to be hard to read along with highly annoying.
(16) Unless the goal is to make yourself look like a pre-adolescent girl, or someone overcompensating for their gross inadequacies, and you don't want people to take you seriously.
(17) Most REAL hackers are quite content to leave you alone unless you make them take notice of you. No dinky little software firewall or consumer grade router is going to keep them out of your system. So do not go to some hacker website or chat room and start shooting your mouth off unless you're prepared to accept the consequences
(18) Most of these programs are scams, and sell you something you don't need. Most of them report non-issues in an attempt to boost the number of "issues". Sometimes using these programs can lead to a non-functioning computer.
(19) The Windows registry is not some mystical black box of untapped performance tweaks for Windows, that will lead to untold improvements in system performance. Most of the tweaks will lead to very modest performance gains of 1-2% tops, and probably less than 10% all combined. There is also a good chance that you will render your system unbootable if you make a mistake when editing. Registry default settings are set that way for a reason. Just do yourself a favor, and forget you ever heard of the Windows registry unless you are a computer programmer/debugger and your job requires knowledge of the registry.
(20) Acer now owns Gateway and eMachines
(21) HP owns Compaq
(22) Hardware failures seem far more common with these brands than can be considered normal
(23) These companies use cheap labor in Asian countries were working conditions are often what would be considered sweat shops, and are run by brutal dictatorships, which you are supporting by buying from these companies
(24) If you just do some simple math, and realize that the cost of individual components like the CPU are around 25-33% of the total retail cost of the system, and everyone involved in the making and selling of the system is looking to make a profit, how much money can they possibly be making on each system. And if you're only making a few pennies on every system, how much quality control do you really think is going to go into the manufacturing process?

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Re: IE7 and IE8 not working!!
by kapmsd / December 27, 2009 2:59 PM PST
In reply to: Several

Thanks a lot Happy

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REALLY?
by YaHa96 / December 27, 2009 8:01 PM PST
In reply to: Several

"(18) Most of these programs are scams, and sell you something you don't need. Most of them report non-issues in an attempt to boost the number of "issues". Sometimes using these programs can lead to a non-functioning computer.
(19) The Windows registry is not some mystical black box of untapped performance tweaks for Windows, that will lead to untold improvements in system performance. Most of the tweaks will lead to very modest performance gains of 1-2% tops, and probably less than 10% all combined. There is also a good chance that you will render your system unbootable if you make a mistake when editing. Registry default settings are set that way for a reason. Just do yourself a favor, and forget you ever heard of the Windows registry unless you are a computer programmer/debugger and your job requires knowledge of the registry.
(23) These companies use cheap labor in Asian countries were working conditions are often what would be considered sweat shops, and are run by brutal dictatorships, which you are supporting by buying from these companies"

Seems your "tips" are for newbies.
Hey, I didn't download a registry cleaner because of hitting somewhere in a web desert with stupid ad banners telling me my computer had bad registry. I downloaded it from trusted sites. So don't tell me ALL registry cleaners are bad.
And whoa, you hate Acer and HP?? Yes a research earlier showed that HP has the WORST service and products and Acer goes to the somewhere behind HP. But "cheap labor" things? Make sure you got evidence. And they're social problems not technically ones, if they are correct.

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Personal observations of course
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / December 27, 2009 8:39 PM PST
In reply to: REALLY?

We all tend to have our favorites or least favorites, so we do tend to mention those from time to time. Readers will, of course, make their own decisions.

But with registry cleaners and optimises I full agree with Jimmy. You only have to read the numerous discussions here where we find out that a registry cleaner was used, and now the user has issues.

My take on such utilities is this;

For the user who has little or no knowledge of computer operating systems, registry cleaners and optimisers can be downright dangerous. The "RegCure" discussion is just one such example. Others are;
Do Registry cleaners really work?, and
Poll: Registry cleaners --has it helped your PC's performance?.

In all of those, (and they are just a few), there are the usual 'For and Against" views, but the general trend is that such utilities are minimal at best, but very dangerous at worst.

If user is experienced, and know what they are doing, they have no need of such utilities, and can sort out any problems in other ways.

Mark

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That's because
by Jimmy Greystone / December 27, 2009 11:36 PM PST
In reply to: REALLY?

That's because they are for newbies. That's who generally needs these kinds of tips. Most "advanced" users tend to figure these out on their own.

And as for the social commentary... It is true, and companies don't really make any secret about it. You can find out in their SEC filings where they have contracts and what not, and then correlate that with various human rights groups. But that's why I put it as a footnote, and not part of the main set of tips. If people want to read down, they can, but the tips can also stand alone.

Quick story. Over the summer, Spanish authorities raided a sweat shop I believe in Madrid, but the location's not important. The manager of this plant had windows in his office so he could be watching the plant floor even when his back was turned, and the employees basically lived in the plant making a couple dollars a day, working like 16 hours, no days off, etc. The day after the raid, the former employees were picketing outside the plant saying they wanted their jobs back. When asked why, they said it was because compared to conditions in their home countries, they had it pretty good here.

This sort of thing is important to some people, and everyone should really consider the social aspect of things they buy and consume. And not just in a xenophobic "they took our jobs" sort of way that's so popular with the conservatives in the US these days, but because if this financial crisis has taught us anything, it's that our economies, and thus our fates, are very much intertwined. We can't think ourselves an island anymore, rather we have to change our mindset to that of a member of a global community.

Sure, I like cheap stuff as much as the next person, but it's important to realize that when the person next to me is doing well, it benefits me as well. Same goes for when the person next to me is not doing so well. The practical example is say that your neighbor looses his/her job. Odds are they won't spend a lot of money keeping up their house. That drives down YOUR property values. If the bank forecloses, that drives down your property values as well. That might lower your property taxes, and seem like a good thing at first, but then the city doesn't have money to keep up the roads and so you see potholes going unfixed, streetlights being left dark when they burn out, trash pickup might become less frequent. There's a considerable ripple effect that needs to be taken into account. Which is why I want to strangle these "Tea Party" idiots. Not only are they misrepresenting the founding members of the United States as being anti-tax (they were against taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION), but really they're just a bunch of greedy gits who want to milk the system. They want to take advantage of every government and social program they can, without having to pay their fair share. Since I'm already on the rant, I do find it amusing in an ironic sort of way that the highly conservative in this country are always bemoaning social programs when times are good, but are typically first on line for those same programs when things start getting tough. I have a friend who's big on small government, and eliminating social programs, but still somehow manages to support unemployment. The first part is a valid opinion to have, but the latter just doesn't reconcile with the former.

But, my fate is unfortunately tied to yours and everyone else on this planet. The American dream is dead, and was a farce from the beginning. Someone made it up to encourage immigrants to come here and serve as cheap labor during the American industrial revolution. A few people will strike it rich, but more because of luck than anything else. They hit on the right idea at just the right time. Odds are, they weren't the first with the idea, they just came up with it when the market was ready. Most of the wealthy in this nation came from wealthy families all the way back to whatever country their ancestors immigrated from.

Finally... Registry cleaners, at best, are a do nothing feel good "solution". They serve no real purpose, and probably 99.999999999999999999999% of computer users would be better off not even knowing the registry exists. I would count myself among them, save the one or two rare cases that come along every couple dozen blue moons, where the only solution to a problem is a registry edit. Think the last time that came up was 2-3 months ago, with someone's DVD drive that wasn't showing up in Windows and had something like an Error code 17 in the Device Manager. All other solutions failed, so had to resort to that. But generally speaking, if you're not a programmer or a professional tester, you probably don't need to know what the registry is, does, or how to tinker with it. It really is a pretty unremarkable metadata database at that. When you really understand what it is, and how it works, you kind of have to scratch your head and marvel that it works as well as it does given how poorly it's designed.

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