Thank you for being a valued part of the CNET community. As of December 1, 2020, the forums are in read-only format. In early 2021, CNET Forums will no longer be available. We are grateful for the participation and advice you have provided to one another over the years.

Thanks,

CNET Support

Question

I visit unsafe sites

Feb 16, 2017 8:12AM PST

That said, I haven't gotten a virus in maybe ten years or more. On very rare occasions I will get a 'Trojan' that windows defender “real time protection” seems to detect.

This is what I currently have installed – too much – not enough, maybe:
Windows Defender with real time protection
Using Firefox, I have Adblock Plus, Ublock Origin and I just added BlockSite

Once a week I run the following 'anti' stuff in safe mode with networking:
Windows Defender – full scan
Hitman Pro
Adware Removal Tool by TSA
Adwcleaner
Bitdefender Adware Removal
Ccleaner
JRT
Rkill
Malwarebytes – install – run scan – uninstall with Revo
SuperAnti Spyware – install – run a scan – uninstall with Revo

Usually, when running these scans, 'rarely' is anything found, except some cookies or other minor stuff, never a virus or trojan.

So, two questions, can you have more than “one” real time protection for spyware, like having windows defender & Hitman Pro and or Bitdefender? I know your not supposed to have 'two' virus programs. Since windows defender and based on scan results, maybe its not necessary to have two real time protection, anyway. And or maybe it would slow down the internet.

And second, am I running too many scans in safe mode?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions

Discussion is locked

- Collapse -
Answer
The first question you answered.
Feb 16, 2017 8:40AM PST

You can, you did. The collective wisdom is to only have one antivirus/malware guard. This is not up to debate if you can, you did so that question is answered by you.

However, folk have complained of odd slowdowns to bluescreens so such a setup is never recommended.

2. Too many scans.
I have to write no. Today, now and for the foreseeable future there is no one scan that finds all the pests. Read
http://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/how-to-remove-pup-option-603542/#post-f742c795-5881-433b-a29b-6d758efe5cd3 for example and that's a set of scans I use when I suspect malware.

3. I am not going to comment about playing with fire.

4. Trojans. Since they have pretty much free reign, damage can run deep. My only comment is they can be bad news.

- Collapse -
(NT) Thanks Mr. Proffitt
Feb 16, 2017 9:55AM PST
- Collapse -
You're welcome.
Feb 16, 2017 10:11AM PST

As to backup, I find we need 2 of those many times. If not a full backup, just the stuff you can't lose.

- Collapse -
I meant to say that I back-up weekly
Feb 16, 2017 9:59AM PST

to an external hard drive and since the 'scan' results are pretty much always clean and based on your comments I should be O.K. So one real time protection with Windows Defender - O.K. by me.
Thanks again

- Collapse -
Just Curious.. What Happens When the External Drive Fails?
Feb 16, 2017 11:18AM PST

We see that happen frequently on these forums. That's why Bob mentioned making TWO copies of your backups.

Hope this helps.

Grif

- Collapse -
Once a month I back up to
Feb 16, 2017 12:20PM PST

a rewriteable DVD disc, but only the stuff that I can't afford to lose and all my programs that I would need to do a complete reinstall. Although it's a little time consuming, its easy, for me, to do a complete reinstall using windows 10 recovery system. "Every" step necessary is written down just in case. I also have the windows 10 iso on a backup disc, although I have never used it. I also back up my "bookmarks" for Firefox and Thunderbird contacts. From time to time I will reinstall everything, recovery, just to keep the system clean. On a daily routine I visit a site like Major Geeks to download the latest "program" update to have in case I need to do a reinstall.

I was using "noscript" but it was too much trouble. I only visit one site that wants to open "other windows" and that's why today I installed "BlockSite". Hope it helps.

Thanks for replying

- Collapse -
Small mistake to use re-writable DVDs
Feb 17, 2017 9:37AM PST

If sticking with discs, you should be using a non-rewritable DVD since it's more reliable. Just check them after you burn them and tuck them away in the closet for a year (etc.). I have migrated such 'non sensitive' data backups to USB flash drives given the lower cost now of higher capacity drives, and the convenience.

Creating a local 'cloud' backup on your home network is perhaps preferable though, using redundant hard drives. It is no longer cost prohibitive to be more proactive in protecting your data at home. The experts here can assist in achieving this.

- Collapse -
Just A Note: Rewritable DVD's Can Be Used But.....
Feb 17, 2017 6:15PM PST

...when creating the backup, DON'T burn the disc using packet writing software which allows copy/paste, drag/drop, etc. Instead burn the disk just as you would a non-rewritable DVD. Make sure the burn is set to Data Disk and the project is closed/finalized. Doing so creates a finalized disk which can be read by any computer, should it need to be done, and it also creates a reliable backup. They're generally life-span is almost as long as a DVD+R. Also, a re-writable disk can be re-used a later time by simply erasing the disk, then performing a data disk backup again.

Of course, if you're looking for archival storage of data, such as you suggest for storing in a closet or other location, then certainly using a one-time use DVD or USB drive works fine.

Or as I do, use a variety methods. I've got multiple backups of items I can't lose, including USB drives, DVD-RW disks re-copied monthly, backups placed on other computer drives, plus DVD+R disks which are done every six months or so.

Hope this helps.

Grif

Post was last edited on February 17, 2017 6:19 PM PST

- Collapse -
Answer
Anti-stuff
Feb 16, 2017 12:37PM PST

Abp and ubo use the same filter list so that's a duplication of effort that may slow you up a little.

Doesn't it get a little old running all those scans weekly?

Set up one real time AV product and one real time AM product.
Once a month run a scan with some other AV and AM product just to get a second opinion.

Save the full boat of scans for when you feel something is wrong.

- Collapse -
Could you reference a site that
Feb 16, 2017 3:34PM PST

states that adblock plus and ublock origin use the same filter list. Just curious because if their the same, then as you state I might as well get rid of one. And or add a different ad blocker with a different 'filter'. Regarding the multi-scans, I suppose I could cut it down to once a month, especially since "they" rarely find anything anyway.

Thanks for replying

- Collapse -
dont need a site for reference
Feb 16, 2017 4:16PM PST

when either is installed, it tells you what list it is using. anyone who used them both can see for themselves. easy to check. also you can change the filter list if you want to use another. However if you go to the apps home page, it will tell you what it uses.

- Collapse -
Abp/ubo
Feb 16, 2017 11:19PM PST

If you look at the filter list available to each of those blockers you'll find it's the same list.

If you have the same filters enabled in each blocker then it's a duplication of effort.

I'd get rid of abp just because of it's higher load on the machine.

You can look at the default filters that ubo uses and add or subtract filters.

- Collapse -
Would you add a different blocker
Feb 17, 2017 6:08AM PST

that has a different filter or as it appears from the conversation, another blocker is unnecessary.

Thanks again for replying, just trying to be as safe as possible.

- Collapse -
Add a blocker...no
Feb 17, 2017 7:43AM PST

For most users ubo with the default filters will work fine.

Try not to go to extremes with blocking and anti-products.

You might end up causing problems.

- Collapse -
(NT) Thanks - nothing else needed
Feb 17, 2017 7:49AM PST
- Collapse -
Answer
Why not get acquainted with ...
Feb 17, 2017 10:22AM PST

Knoppix? An 8 GB thumb-drive will do for installation, and unless you download goodies on the hard drive, nasty stuff will have a very hard time penetrating the system. Expect some loss of speed when browsing, but that may be an acceptable price to pay for not having to run the whole gamut of scans.

- Collapse -
Answer
Whatever works for ya
Feb 17, 2017 10:32AM PST

I have run similar setups and most usually come back clean and clear. But, every now and then something pops-up and it gets taken care of. There are so many ways you can get hosed if that's the purpose to ruin your PC or data. But, others may only want to spy or meta data you and thus can get by under the radar. Also, understand many freebie or just basic offering don't go the full measure and may allow something to get by. Which is why any of the so-called commercial or paid for versions are "suited" as a package and not interfere with itself and hopefully bypass freebie offering or disable them. As stated to you, that can have system hogging and slow-down results, so get what works for you. Also, these new or upcoming threats are too numerous and attack at any level, it wouldn't hurt to have more than simple protection, though. -----Willy Happy

- Collapse -
Answer
Use Antiviris, Firewall and Pop-up blocker
Mar 3, 2017 1:42AM PST

I recommend that you should install an antivirus software in your computer system. You should also enable the firewall which will block suspicious websites to get accessed. Having a pop-up blocker also assures that your browser wont' be showing unwanted pop-ups which might be the source of viruses as well.

- Collapse -
They Already Have Those Things.. Why The Same Answer On All?
Mar 3, 2017 1:02PM PST

Windows Defender is the antivirus software, plus the Windows firewall is turned on by default, and most browsers have a default pop-up blocker enabled. IN addition, you didn't answer the two questions asked by the original poster.

Spamming your answer on all your posts doesn't do anyone any good and may get you banned....

Hope this helps.

Grif