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I've been bugged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oct 12, 2005 4:43AM PDT

I have been recieving emails showing my internet activity. Even things that I have taken off of limewire. It shows what was searched what was downloaded where it was saved and if it was deleted.

It tells tyhe time I was on there also.....


How can I prevent this from happening. Also isnt this illegal? What program was used to do this?


Anykind of help will be nice.....

oh yeah this has been done on dial up and dsl connections

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Not illegal at all.
Oct 12, 2005 5:07AM PDT

If you've been downloading illegal stuff with limewire there is no law being broken by others monitoring what you are doing.

What many don't realize is that computers (yours and others) are great recorders of what or where you go.

If you didn't download illegally, delete the email and move to spyware and pest removal.

Bob

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What do you mean not legal?
Oct 12, 2005 6:50AM PDT

i know who is doing it.........
its my girlfriends cousin......she said that he stopped....so just to see if he did.....I downloaded porn lastnight. And just like I thought this morning she emailed me my activities and said that he sent it to her........................how can that be legal? My web pages and everything that I did last night....

So is he monitoring my computer or is there some program on my computer that is send the info out?

Thanks for the help

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one more thing
Oct 12, 2005 6:52AM PDT

He got into my work email account and sent her emails that I have sent and recieved...........is that legal?

this is my work email address. I work for a school district somethings got to be wrong with that

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Just so you know about "spoofing".
Oct 12, 2005 6:59AM PDT

Many have been quite upset and needlessly so over this issue called "spoofing." Bear with me as I try to convey the concept in haste.

No one needs to hack into your email to make it appear an email is originating from your email account. Through the years nothing has changed to lock down internet emails systesm to prevent others from "spoofing" or forging the return addresses. If you need further dialogue about spoofing, just ask about it in the Virus and Security Forum.

Unlike the postal system, what is and is not legal has yet to be fully defined.

Take care,

Bob

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You say
Oct 12, 2005 11:18AM PDT

You say that you work for the SCHOOL DISRTICT and downloaded porn!

I hope you don't live in the School District my children are going to.

Did you know that all Schools, Businesses and ISP's have a copy of all the emails that a person sends and recieves. You're just asking for trouble. You may as well turn yourself in to the authorities. If you don't, then they catch you, your name will be plastered in the newspapers.

What a story,

Another School District employee arrested for porn.

Wow, what are people thinking these days.

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What anti-spyware tools do you use?
Oct 12, 2005 7:01AM PDT

For instance, if I run 2000 or XP I might scan the machine with EWIDO, SPYBOT, ADAWARE and Housecall. Check google.com for where these fine softwares come from.

If I has some older OS, I would use all but EWIDO.

Cheers,

Bob

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This would apear
Oct 12, 2005 9:50AM PDT

to be a domestic dispute and you should seek legal advice.

But when you do, you need to make some things clear to your legal representative.

1] You are using Limewire on your employer's computer. Limewire, a known utility for downloading illegal copies of music, videos and software. Whether you are downloading such items may or may not be relevant, but the use of Limewire may be. Your legal representative will need to be prepared for any counter allegations.

2] You used a school's computer to download porn? Whether as a test or not, the legal representative needs to be prepared for any counter allegations.

3] Your employer needs to be informed. If there is some keylogging or other spyware on their computer, they will be anxious to find out and limit the damage being done. Your legal representative can represent you and inform them for you.

Mark

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Seems like some assumptions here
Oct 12, 2005 3:21PM PDT

and I do not know which are correct.

Nowhere did redfearnc say that he downloaded porn on a school computer. It was done at night, so isn't it likely that was on a personal computer? This seems more likely as he said both DSL and dial-up connections were involved, implying two systems; likely DSL at school and dial-up at home. He said his "work" email, which is a school account, had been invaded -- possibly meaning "as well as" his personal computer. It seems that because he mentioned this, the general assumption is that everything was done on a school computer.

There also seems to be an underlying assumption that downloading porn is routine for redfearnc. Perhaps it is, but perhaps he did it just as a test, knowing full well that this was something his "intruder" would pick up and pass on immediately, therefore confirming the source.

With regard to PudgyOne's post: No one can be arrested for "porn" per se, mainly because the Supreme Court did not and could not define what is porn and what isn't -- porn is in the eyes of the beholder. If it were not in the Bible, some would consider parts of Song of Solomon to be pornographic; some would consider many works of Ruebens, Goya, the ancient Greeks and other classic and modern artists to be pornographic because they show nakedness. And how about Michaelangelo's David displaying prominent genitals? Isn't this pornographic to some?

The only truly illegal porn category, for which one can be arrested, is child pornography -- the subjects are under 18 years old. Theoretically, if your mother has a picture of you naked on a bear skin rug, she could be arrested under this law if the police and prosecuter chose to define any nakedness as porn.

On the other hand, if an employer's computer is used for proscribed (but not necessarily illegal) activities, the person may be fired. Downloading porn, even otherwise legal porn, on a school computer almost certainly would fall in that category. They could even have a morality clause in the employment contract making such things as porn downloads reason for termination even if done on a personal computer. This is what redfearnc need to be concerned about, not being arrested.

I agree in general with Mark's assessment. The big key here is if redfearnc was using school computers for illegal or questionable activities. If not, and if no morality clause applies, he probably could safely take legal action against his girlfriend's cousin -- if he is willing to possibly lose his girlfriend.

Here he also needs to ask why the cousin is doing this. There must be some personal reason that the cousin is trying to break up the relationship. How close is the girlfriend to the cousin? Perhaps she could demand the cousin stop, and/or delete all the cousin's e-mails without reading them.

Frank

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The Truth
Oct 12, 2005 11:22PM PDT

It's called the world wide web for a reason. And when you download illegal material, how can you get mad at someone "bugging" you. You opened the door for her cousin to come right in. When you share files, you freely opened the gate to let him in. As for the school email address, if it is accessible on the internet, then there is little one can do to protect it. Back to the problem at hand, you said you downloaded the porn to see if your girlfriend's cousin was still bugging you. Did you not realize that in file sharing you gave him the access to get into your system? For the record, it's highly doubtful that he's on your personal computer. Especially since you implied it only happens when material is downloaded. Sadly, you downloading illegal stuff is just as bad as him bugging you. You would likely be in just as much trouble as he is, but then again, had you not been downloading in the first place, he would not have had access to what you were doing. It truly isn't illegal since it's on the web. Had he hacked into a secure system, then that's illegal, and trust me, school district systems are not secure. The best advice I can give you is to stop the illegal downloading and then he won't have access to what you do online. It's harder to monitor someone when they aren't doing anything illegal.

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Way to many assumptions is right
Oct 13, 2005 1:38AM PDT

Downloading , even using limewire, is not necessarily illegal. It would be the contents of the download that would define it as such. To many people here are way to quick to jump on this illegal bandwagon being driven by riaa.
I am sure the school district considers it's system as secure,whether it is or not , and hacking into it would surely be frowned upon by the proper authorities,regardless of the original posters activities,if they did in fact take place at home, as is my interpertation of his post. If that is correct, then your assumption that file sharing is the way this spying is being accomplished is way off base.
The best advice is to follow R. Proffit's advice and clean up the computer and try to eliminate the spyware that is the accomplice here.
EZ

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Anyway...
Oct 13, 2005 2:29AM PDT

Spyware is illegal, but as stated previously, snoopware isn't. This site should help you understand the dilemma. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/03/tech/main571296.shtml

Cut and paste the link. It explains them both. Also search snoopware for yourself. There is a difference. Since obviously his girlfriend's cousin more than likely didn't have access to the computer, or he would have said so, and it's happening at various locations, it's likely not on the computer. Even he said it was with DSL and dial up. Snooping, sadly isn't illegal, and if he is doing illegal downloading, then who gets into trouble? My suggestion, stop opening doors. When does her cousin record you? Is it only when you download or is it all the time? That could be the key. Think about it.

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What the ??????
Oct 13, 2005 3:40AM PDT

The whole article at the link you provided says snooping and snoopware is illegal. Quoted from said article
"I don't think there's any question that they are violating the federal law," the Electronic Privacy Information Center's Marc Rotenberg told The Times.

At least one of the products has attracted law enforcement attention. An FBI official tells the Times that the bureau is investigating LoverSpy, which claims to let owners "Spy on anyone by sending them an e-mail greeting card!" Under federal wiretap laws it could be illegal even to advertise illegal surveillance products.
Did you even read it??
Yes, the spy is remotely installed to however many machines the operator wants.No physical access is required. DSL and Dialup points even more to it being on the (2) machines in question.
Cleanup and lockup, shut down limewire except when using.
EZ

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Read again...
Oct 13, 2005 3:52AM PDT
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/03/17/tools.snoopware/

As I said before, do your own research. Did I not state that? Now check out this link. HAD YOU RESEARCHED IT THOUROUGHLY you would see what I mean. Now do your own research this time. I'm just offering my advice. It's not for you it's for the guy getting bugged. Let him decide. But my suggestion to him was do his own research and then decide what to do. But snoopware is NOT illegal. Ask me how I know....
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Since you insisted
Oct 13, 2005 5:22AM PDT

How do you know

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Just a thought.
Oct 13, 2005 5:24AM PDT

Try to help the member that posted out of the jam they are in.

Please.

Bob

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Bob you're right, I will help him
Oct 13, 2005 9:47AM PDT

First reformat and reinstall your Operation system.

Lock down the computer good.

Change all passwords to all accounts, login,email, work email, school computer, every password you ever used.

and at last,

STAY CLEAN


Hope this helps.

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Staying clean.
Oct 13, 2005 12:37PM PDT

What about sober?

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Stay
Oct 13, 2005 3:14PM PDT

Stay sober most of the time and save the getting loaded for occasions.

Please remember

DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE

AND

FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS DRIVE DRUNK.

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By the way your
Oct 13, 2005 5:34AM PDT

post with the link to the article that allegedly shows snoopware is legal was a reply to my post not the original poster.Any statements made did not appear to be directed towards him,other than to stop illegally downloading,which you can not positively verify if he is or isn't doing.I did do some research and when used in the manner described by the original poster, my take is it's in no way, shape or form legal.
EZ