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I'm wondering about this waiver

Nov 7, 2013 7:03PM PST
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/189413-labor-unions-may-get-tax-wish-on-obamacare

What I'm wondering about is......since this waiver applies to self-insured and is being done to appease the Unions that pushed to get BO elected, would that come back to bite Obamacare because that would also include religious owners/companies that have been battling the birth control coverage mandate.

Is this being done as a back-door deal for Unions, but also as a back-door deal for those other groups (intentionally or unintentionally)?

I have a feeling that this HHS agency and administration really can't see much further into the future than the next election (two years regularly) and just never see the ramifications of most of their decisions made, and that's still dangerous for this country.

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Poor babies...
Nov 7, 2013 7:59PM PST

and this part

"The tax applies to all group health plans, but unions say it will raise their healthcare costs while providing them no benefit."

Isn't that what it's doing to everyone else? I just helped my wife with her employer's open enrollment plan. She's making no elective changes from the previous year and there's nothing visible in the way of coverage changes. Her employee share of the premium is increasing by about 60%. Her deductibles, co-pays, and out-of-pocket maximums will go up 2 to 3 times what they were last enrollment period. I'd say she's in the same boat as anyone else, union or otherwise, who is finding what the truth really is. We don't know whether to complain or be thankful. I suppose we should be thankful to the president that those who can't or don't buy medical insurance will now enjoy the same benefits as those who can and already do. Any disappointment can still be blamed on Bush or the greedy insurance companies. Happy

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I don't understand something here
Nov 7, 2013 8:34PM PST

I was a member of a union before I retired for 35 years and the health benefits were a negotiated part of my hourly wage which I was taxed on. Now I was paying $6.25 an hour for health care . That's $12,500 a year based on a 2000 hours a year, I usually worked in the 2500 hour range. I had to pay deductibles and my coverage was 80% insurance company and 20% my payment. So I don't understand where everyone thinks that union members are getting over on anything.... Confused Digger

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I'm having a problem with that hourly rate
Nov 7, 2013 9:13PM PST

That's $50 a day out of your own pocket for healthcare insurance?...sure about that? As a general rule, an employer pays about 2/3 or more of an employee's insurance costs. That would bring the total cost of your insurance to somewhere in the neighborhood of 35-40K a year. That doesn't seem right.

http://kff.org/report-section/2013-summary-of-findings/

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No Kidding Steve
Nov 7, 2013 9:55PM PST

I didn't work for the government . I worked for private companies as an Operating Engineer. (I.U.O.E). $6.25 per hour is what was paid and I was taxed on. I never saw 1 cent of that money and never needed to use my insurance , I'm fortunate I was always healthy. Look at all of the free money the insurance companies get from guys like me. Than I retire and the insurance company wanted me to pay $900 a month for coverage? Screw Them. I paid 35 years for services I never used, Now Do The Math ! Screw Obama care too! I'm using my V.A benefits and just pay a small co-pay. Hopefully I'll never have to use it either....Digger

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Still doesn't sound right
Nov 8, 2013 12:56AM PST

If $6.25 an hour was being deducted from your pay, you would not (or should not) have been paying tax on that. If your employer was paying it on your behalf and entering it as "imputed" income, there could be tax due. As well, if you itemized your federal tax deductions, you would include anything you paid toward your own health insurance as a medical expense. Anything paid above 7.5% of your income would be deducted from your gross. My math says that you need to make something above 166K a year to not qualify for anything off your taxes. That 12.5K price must have been the entire cost of the insurance package and doesn't sound like a very good deal to me.

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your math is correct
Nov 8, 2013 2:07AM PST
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It would make more sense if what you're claiming
Nov 8, 2013 2:55AM PST

is that your policy was for special "high risk" reasons and was priced far above the norm. So at $500K a year, I aintagonnafeelsorry fer yas. Happy

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lol
Nov 8, 2013 3:00AM PST
Devil
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I'm assuming that
Nov 7, 2013 9:16PM PST

you worked for a private company......many unions are government employees on all local, state, and federal levels and their negotiated contracts are putting communities, states, and the federal government into dire straits trying to pay current and future benefits. If their healthcare benefits get taxed now or are penalized with a tax/fee, those increased amounts are going to cost the union members heavily, which is why the union heads are all clamoring to get a deal cut because otherwise many members will leave the unions completely (and many are already).

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this says it all;
Nov 8, 2013 1:43AM PST
"The reinsurance tax is meant to generate short-term revenue that will stabilize premiums on the individual market as sick patients enter the risk pool. The tax applies to all group health plans, but unions say it will raise their healthcare costs while providing them no benefit. "

The Unions will do what they always do, which is look for preferential treatment, using the Democrats to get it for them and their members. This is nothing new. This is not unexpected. This is not right, but then unionism has never really been JUST about what is right. Union before the nation, union before all else. Obamacare will turn into another situation where preferential treatment is given to favored groups while fleecing the rest of us. It is a form of enslavement.
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But the way that it is worded
Nov 8, 2013 3:26AM PST

regarding self-insurers could also encompass the religious company owners, like Hobby Lobby (or whatever it's called that is in the court systems right now) and church run organizations. That is what I meant by it could be something that could bite Obamacare without intending to do so.