I'm signing, but with reservations.

The same today as yesterday! It is man's immorality that has changed! you can not make right no matter what the times are, what God has said is a sin! Yes I believe literally every word in the Bible, the Word of God! Mary was a Virgin!

Glenda

In that case I assume that you respect those who believe every word literally of the Quran too...

what the Church stands for??

Glenda

Very possible and almost sure that is the case. But I find it strange that the entire society is developing toward more tolerance (in some cases at least and some societies) and the church remain as fundamentalist as it was 50 years ago, especially the Catholic church.

especially careful about any changes. After all since it is the only church in existence that was established by Jesus and the apostles, the whole world looks to the Catholic Church for direction and guidance.

Oh boy! Ducking for the slings and arrows that are on the way! LOL

and Jesus was born into this religion.

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are referred to as JUDEO-CHRISTIAN. I should have known better.

Going to stand in the corner for a while now.
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Dan

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a sensible answer, I really want to know.

What would society use as a yardstick for it's behavior or moral code if not religion/bible/God?
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If we try to use a religion we'll have to choose which to use and subjegate the nonbelievers. If we have the hubris to try to enact the will of god we'll have to go to war over what prophet is correct.

Not a yardstick, but a principle. We should enact only those laws that are necessary to provide for the functioning of society and the protection of the populace. There's plenty to argue about in that statement without invoking a deity or deities.

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Laws written by man are what got us to the place we are now (in this discussion). We don't have enough laws now to protect the populace or to please them. There would never be enough laws to protect the populace. They are too easily broken. Laws won't cut it, we can't depend on laws. What about a standard to live by?

Humm... yardsticks, standards ... sounds like we're building a house doesn't it?
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Laws written, or handed down, by gods didn't have us in a better situation. I think we're doing ok for a civilization in transition. These are always the most difficult times.

I'm not sure what you're looking for as a standard to live by. Law are only in place to govern how people interact, not how they live. That is a different question.

How you live must be directed by your heart, your mind, and your connection to the universe. Most people find that this is sufficient to making their way in the world. Some individuals find themselves going on a divergent course. Among these you will find artists and geniuses, prophets and lunatics.

Is that anything like an answer?

Dan

If I have learned anything from this discussion it's why a Theocracy is a bad way to run a country. I can now understand why the people living under one want to kill each other all the time. Not to mention people in other countries as well.

However, I do believe that our laws have been based on the Judeo-Christian tradition, basically the 10 commandments. Now there is this big push to separate state and church to the point that anything to do with the church and religion is to be purged from society's laws, public buildings ....

OH MY what about public libraries?!!? Will bibles and religious books be banned? Might this be a cause for book burning?!? No I'm not trying to be funny it just seems to follow.

Anyway, back to laws and conduct. I have a hard time understanding how any concept of religious law can be kept out of the laws we make for society and still have a stability law system. Or society.
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Dan, considering that the Bible wasn't written in English, maybe a funnier joke might be my translation can beat up your translation.
A lot of translations can beat up some of those greek translations, grin. I wonder what Moses would have said about those horns on that Michangelo statue?

Moses had no sense of humor and a bad temper. That is, if we are to believe the elightened word of DeMille.



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Sorry for the confusion, Rosalie.

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Try not to become as humorless and sour as many fanatics can be.

Dan

Hi, Mary Kay.

And you'll recall what Christ had to say about the established Jewish religion when He came? Devoted to the letter of the Law while ignoring its spirit. I suspect He'd say much the same of the institutional Catholic Church if He came back today.
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I know what your values are and how much you do for those in need! You're a good woman!

On the just out of curiosity question, I'd say none. The old belief about a ship's Captain having the power to legally marry people is not valid. Unless of course, he happens so be a minister type as well as a ship's Captain.

A male partner is called husband.
A female partner is called wife.

This is not difficult stuff.

Dan

... how two people deem to be declared in any marriage ceremony. Most churches these days allow great latitude in what traditional rituals are included in the ceremony. My husband and I worked with our priest to customize our service for our union and taking into account the general makeup of those who celebrated with us.

I gotta say, I did cringe when my (PhD in science educated) cousin promised to "submit" in her marriage vows, but, that's her choice. In many traditional Ukrainian Catholic ceremonies the bride is blessed and prays to the Virgin Mary (w/o meaning to be disrespectful I call this the blessing of the virgin sacrifice) -- it was a bit bizarre when my FIL's once-divorced "older" (as I understand this ritual it is in part a blessing for bearing children and their marriage is certainly past that phase!) second wife went through this part of it! But again, their choice. In this country nobody is forced to belong to the church of their rearing -- we did not marry in the Uke or Roman Catholic Church for a number of reasons. The Episcopal Church where we married was definitely more liberal than others I approached when seeking a church for our wedding, but we were pronounced husband and wife.

I think you two are going a little overboard with James' short (and I believe a bit sarcastic) comment on what to call them.