Look at the pictures at http://oleb.net/blog/2012/06/progress/
No need to read the article. That's a fine machine (both products) but some are going to balk at the lock down or lockout from any user changes or service.
About HP. I have serious doubts about their service centers since they killed one of my laptops in warranty (about 3 months old) and walked on rectifying the issue. 9 months later a HP social rep did ask about this and since I wrote them off and the laptop at 9 months they also couldn't help. I had close to 50 hours on the phone over this one, 9 months and a dead laptop at their hands. Not only that, the document from them showed they replicated the bug and failure and never once did they offer a replacement or cure.
If HP won't fix a laptop at 3 months and can't fix a bug in a BIOS when you find it, they are to be avoided.
There are number pads on externals but frankly after a time I use it less and less. I think I can get by without that.
My laptop was run over by a vehicle last week :0(
The plus side is it booted up and is still semi functional for the time being. I am getting a new computer this week. Looking to hear what people have to say. I work for a entertainment company and we are probably 75% Mac. My current computer is a HP Elite Book 8730w Mobile Workstation. It has been a great computer and I have been happy with it. I am considering making the jump to Mac though and switching to the mac book pro with retina display.
My primary job at work is doing a lot of our cad work. The main program I use is actually Mac based (vectorworks). I am on the PC end looking at models of the HP Elite Book 8560w. I am curious what people's thoughts are on those. The Mac book is all flash memory based which I consider to be a huge plus. The negative is that it is only available in what you order memory and storage wise. There is no way to upgrade your memory or storage later. I also find that I am a huge fan of the numeric key pad my current computer offers, which is a drawback for using a Mac. All my current set up is designed for PC. I have docking stations and things of the like.
I am curious of anyone's input good or bad on thought. Just trying to do my due diligence before purchase.