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I guess No doesn't mean No

Apr 22, 2005 11:40PM PDT
U.S. missile company scouts Labrador

ST. JOHN'S, NFLD. - An American missile contractor has been secretly scouting locations for a radar installation in Labrador, despite Prime Minister Paul Martin's decision to keep Canada out of the U.S. missile defence shield program.

* INDEPTH: Ballistic Missile Defence

In late February, Martin made it clear that Canada won't be part of Washington's controversial program to shoot down incoming missiles aimed at North America.

"We took the decision on ballistic missile defence in terms of where Canada's interests lay," he said.


Perhaps Canada won't be "part of Washington's controversial program to shoot down incoming missiles" but it could be part of the program to detect incoming missiles.

Sometimes a person has to "pick apart" every statement a politician makes.

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Maybe they're expecting a change of government soon?
Apr 23, 2005 1:08AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Some are getting election signs designed now
Apr 23, 2005 3:29AM PDT
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Questions:
Apr 23, 2005 11:25AM PDT

I've been trying to follow what's going on up there through (mostly U.S.) news reports and the various bloggers that are posting on this mess.

My questions are: Do the Canadian people think they're being shortchanged because of Canadian government restrictions on press coverage, and is there any sense that the press as a function of a democratic society is being unfairly muzzled? And, is there any thoughts of changing Canadian law to give the press more latitude in reporting on such matters?

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It's news to me
Apr 23, 2005 11:51AM PDT
the press as a function of a democratic society is being unfairly muzzled?


Do you examples of specific subjects where press is muzzled?
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It's possible that they said
Apr 23, 2005 10:47AM PDT

they were out because they are afraid of Muslim retaliation, but are really in and lying to you again.

Remember this, we may wave money at you when we are ready too, and pay you to do the right thing.

The overwhelming majority of Canadians are huddled along the border with the USA (Not Russia, the USA) where they are safe. (You did cut your defense budget by 75% recently didn't you? You must be confident that we will save you. The good Lord knows that the French would surrender to anyone on the way to Canada.)

Remember also that any missile strike in Canada that wouldn't effect us, would most likely fall on snow and ice waste land, being an expensive, wasted missile shot. If that extremely unlikely event ever happens, it would still be a dirty bomb eco-nightmare for both of us. You won't survive without us, The French won't save you. Remember they surrendered to the Mexicans.

So as The EU gets more united to gain advantage over North America, pull away from your best friend that setup many of your automobile plants and industry, and just agree to programs like NAFTA where you will benefit without having to stand up and take a side.

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Response
Apr 23, 2005 1:12PM PDT
along the border with the USA (Not Russia,

You're right. Canada doesn't have a border with Russia.

without having to stand up and take a side.

I thought, that you thought, we did take a side.

Canada and California have approx the same population. (32,000,000)

Canada (Total area: 9,984,670 sq km Coastline 202,080 km)

And Canada has aprox. the same area as the USA and 10 times the coastline.

United States (Total Area: 9,631,418 sq km Coast line 19,924 km


How large would the US military be if the population of California, had to pay for the military to protect the entire US?

There is only so much money you can squeeze out of a taxpayer.

And I've been lied to, by politicians, before.
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not
Apr 23, 2005 8:11PM PDT

You're right. Canada doesn't have a border with Russia.

[you know how close you are, they could have eaten you long ago.]

I thought, that you thought, we did take a side.

[With student radicals and third world countries that would attack the USA and leave you alone?]

Canada and California have approx the same population. (32,000,000)

Canada (Total area: 9,984,670 sq km Coastline 202,080 km)

[And you decided to go it alone, undefended, aspiring to the sense of fair play of the USA's enemies, the likes of Saddam, Kadafi, Bin Laden and others more reasonable than the USA?]

And Canada has aprox. the same area as the USA and 10 times the coastline.

Missiles don't sneak across undefended borders, people do.]

United States (Total Area: 9,631,418 sq km Coast line 19,924 km

[It's the size that makes a bigger target. If we went under, you wouldn't be safe.]


How large would the US military be if the population of California, had to pay for the military to protect the entire US?

[Show me the part where we are not doing our share and asking you to shoulder the load and defend us. Get off it.]

There is only so much money you can squeeze out of a taxpayer.

[agreed, there has to be priorities.]

And I've been lied to, by politicians, before.

[We are in different countries, not different planets. We will work it out, we always have neighbor.]

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Response
Apr 23, 2005 10:00PM PDT

[Show me the part where we are not doing our share and asking you to shoulder the load and defend us. Get off it.]

I've never said "we are not doing our share and asking you to shoulder the load and defend us" or anything close to that.

My reference to California population and USA geography was a setup for the question.

Since Canada is a large country with small population.

Where do you think Canada should spend its defense budget? Home land security, bases in foreign lands, satelites, missiles.

I recall in the early sixties the Canadian government spent millions on Nation Defense Survival Training, This was a six week (240 hours) course to train thousands of ordinary civilians for a nuclear attack. Which never happened, who knows why.

Does a country base it economy on a "worst case scenario" i.e. something that might happen or on something that you are positive is going to happen?

[We are in different countries, not different planets. We will work it out, we always have neighbor.]

We are and we will.

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[Are there any good answers when
Apr 23, 2005 10:35PM PDT

we both have social issues to contend with, while trying to prevent what other governments have fostered?]

I recall in the early sixties the Canadian government spent millions on Nation Defense Survival Training, This was a six week (240 hours) course to train thousands of ordinary civilians for a nuclear attack. Which never happened, who knows why.

[And it never will? Read about the DEW (Distant Early Warning) line in Canada designed to warn us of Soviet attack by missles over the top. Your country thought we could have placed the line further up stream to protect them too, and said so, I agreed that while we were paying you rent, we could have placed them further upstream, but I was told the reaction time was a big factor then, that isn't now.]


Does a country base it economy on a "worst case scenario" i.e. something that might happen or on something that you are positive is going to happen?

[Does a country ignore the fact that oil money has given many little radical countries and factions and even rich Bin Laden wackos the ability to kill millions of people, and we are convinced he will if he's allowed? There are more Bin Ladens on the horizon I'm afraid.]

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DEW line and payment
Apr 23, 2005 10:55PM PDT
There are no ............ "FREE RIDES"

If, when you wake up, every day and the first thing that pops into your head is

Who is going to attack me today?

Then "the attackers" have "got to you"

[There are more Bin Ladens on the horizon I'm afraid.]

There is a difference between ignoring, and doing what you can, with what you have.
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Oh they haven't gotten me that's for sure.
Apr 24, 2005 12:00PM PDT

I am just glad (we) the USA and Canada can disagree without a crazy person strapping on a bomb and killing each others children. I am also proud to say, that we can disagree with our own country from time to time without some monster putting a million dollar contract on us. They are the ones that look like idiots, not us.

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(NT) (NT) You are correct and I agree with you
Apr 24, 2005 1:19PM PDT