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I couldn't agree more!

Mar 15, 2004 10:27PM PST

Newly elected Spanish PM says of the Iraq invasion: "It divided more than it united, there were no reasons for it. Time has shown that the arguments for it lacked credibility and the occupation has been managed badly."
Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair "will have to engage in reflection and self-criticism," he said in a separate interview with Cadena Ser radio. "You cannot organize a war with lies." Too bad no one told that to Bush and Rove a year and a half ago!
(see Spain's new leader pledges to withdraw troops from Iraq).
Note, btw, he says the troops will be withdrawn IF the UN isn't given control...

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Isn't it interesting that Kerry isn't associating himself...
Mar 15, 2004 10:53PM PST

with this newly elected Socialist put into office by the will of terrorists and terrorism.

Think it might be that he is bright enough to realize that it would make people take a more serious look at him and his credentials?

Stumping Kerry Sidesteps Blasts and Election in Spain
By DAVID E. ROSENBAUM and JODI WILGOREN

Published: March 16, 2004


WASHINGTON, March 15 ? Senator John Kerry has conspicuously avoided speaking out on the terrorist attacks in Spain and the fall of the government there, a departure from his practice of trying to use the events of the day to bolster his case against President Bush.

All year, Mr. Kerry has argued that the war in Iraq has diverted resources and attention away from what should have been devoted to a more pernicious target, terrorist groups, and he has accused the president of squandering alliances that previous administrations carefully cultivated.

Yet in a 25-minute speech on Monday about terrorism and domestic security to the International Association of Firefighters, the senator mentioned the events in Spain only in passing. He accused the president of being "short on action" in protecting Americans against terrorism and added, "As we saw again last week in Spain, real action is what we need."

Democrats inside and outside Mr. Kerry's campaign said on Monday that the situation in Spain now was too uncertain and delicate to use politically. ...


Too bad you can't admit that no lies were told by Bush and that Clinton, Algore, and Kerry ALL said the very same things based on the same information.

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It shows good taste and propriety.
Mar 15, 2004 11:06PM PST

People find it disturbing when politicians use the suffering of terrorist victims to bolster their political goals. Bush supporters don't really grasp this concept.

Dan

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No, just shows that he is bright enough to know that it won't further his goals...
Mar 16, 2004 9:50AM PST

because even most Democrits don't want a socialist in office here.

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It's not surprising he backs the U.N - they are very pro-leftwing and anti-capitalist I.M.O (NT)
Mar 16, 2004 3:20AM PST

NT

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Re: It's not surprising he backs the U.N - they are very pro-leftwing...
Mar 16, 2004 12:15PM PST

Hi, Steve.What's your definition of "left-wing?" Not supporting 1% of the world's population contolling 90% of its wealth?

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Even I hadn't thought you were that far to the left...
Mar 18, 2004 1:53AM PST

That would make Stalin and several other well known Communist leaders quite a bit to the right of your position.

Tell us how you split up your paycheck (garnered from taxing other's earnings) up among those less fortunate who feel that your ostentatious displays place you in the wealthy few?

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I agree Ed - He makes the Chinese government seem right wing - heard this socialist clap trap the whole of my life - never thought I would here it on an American forum - I am quite speechless :( NT
Mar 18, 2004 2:57PM PST

nt

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Dave, there's an easy way to prove your sincerity.
Mar 18, 2004 12:40PM PST

Give ALL your money to the poor of the world. That should help balance the percentages. Please post back after you've done that.

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Re:I couldn't agree more!
Mar 18, 2004 12:26PM PST
...Time has shown that the arguments for it lacked credibility ...

At least it does acknowledge using hindsight from the current viewpoint, not that any different was known at the time.

But then he goes and spoils that honesty with
"You cannot organize a war with lies."


And further down it sounds like his motivation is as much to kowtow to Germany and France and get Spain in the European Union as it is to rectify a mistake by the previous administration.

As well as reversing Spain's stance on Iraq, Zapatero said he would make Spain's relations with its European Union partners a priority.

Spain and Poland have argued with Germany and France over a proposed new EU voting system that Madrid and Warsaw fear would lessen their influence in the bloc. The argument has stalled negotiations on a new EU constitution.


I have no problems with Europe forming alliances. And they can take over their own security and defense too. I guess we need bases around the world, but I'm not sure the current locations in Europe reflect an optimum distribution for the USA forces in the modern world politics and our needs.

But I can see their intention is to rival the USA and block us anytime they can to achieve their agenda. No surprise there, that's a lot of what all nations do. I still think there is a behind the scheming by France and Germany (for after they get the EU a nation instead of a common market) to shaft the other and make themselves head of the entire affair.

RogerNC

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This sounds just like the Red Brigades in Communist China.
Mar 18, 2004 12:47PM PST

"will have to engage in reflection and self-criticism,"

That IS what they were called isn't it?

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Your right there Kiddpeat - I have seen those very words written in the "little red book" Spain will go down the drain with him, without a doubt :( NT
Mar 18, 2004 3:03PM PST

NT

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He said "there were no reasons for it."
Mar 18, 2004 2:42PM PST

In that case why were so many thousands of Iraqis cheering in the street when Saddam's statue hit the ground - like all socialists he is totally selfish, and obviously couldn't care a fig about the hell those poor people went through - Sad