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Hunting the Lost Symbol

Oct 26, 2009 11:12PM PDT

Did anybody catch a great documentary/review of Dan Brown's new book called The Lost Symbol on Discovery Channel over the weekend?

It basically was debunking some of the things Brown used to build his conspiracy theory for his new mystery surrounding Washington DC. Most of it appears to be based on old suppositions and rumors about the Freemasons, and it started off kind of interesting, but further along, as the narrator described some of those conspiracies and how they involved collapsing the USA and world economies in order to have a 'one government world', you (actually I) began looking at the parallels to what is actually happening today.

Granted, my imagination took a leap, but still....

If you get a chance to watch a rerun of this program or already watched it, tell me what you thought at the end of the show.

TONI H

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I saw a bit of it....
Oct 26, 2009 11:45PM PDT

It was kind of interesting. Those shows play over and over again, if anyone wants to catch it.

The book IS fiction, is it not? I don't know if I'd read it, but I take those conspiracy things with a grain of salt anyway. Parallels can always be found to anything. Humans are programmed to detect patterns... sometimes even when there are none. Stuff like that makes for an interesting story.

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Freemasonry has long generated these stories, and since it
Oct 27, 2009 1:27AM PDT

was often connected to a sense of social advancement was subscribed to by many in England, and in the United States from the time it was the 13 Colonies forward. I know Ben Franklin was one, I think George Washington was one, and I'm sure there were lots of others among the "Founding Fathers". The dollar bill is a living example of how pervasive it was in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

In England it generates suspicion in the population in general, and is conspicuously present in the hierarchy of the police force, the law and other areas including the Civil Service. There is a sense that loyalty to "the Brotherhood" supercedes all other loyalties, though I don't know if there is any real foundation to that attitude.

I suspect it was the Scientology of its time, full of mumbo jumbo signifying very little, but because it was so secretive it generated lots of rumour and speculation.

Rob

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re: Freemasonry has long generated these stories
Nov 1, 2009 10:05AM PST

Freemasonry in Britain, or anywhere else, is no more "conspicuous" in law enforcement and the Civil Service than it is in any other aspect of society. Jack Straw's witch hunt in the 1990s, stirred up by the hysterics of Martin Short, came up with no serious allegations against Masonic influence in the police or judiciary.

Masons are charged to be peaceable citizens, true to the laws of their country. Any Mason who gives an automatic pass to his brethren for unlawful acts wasn't paying attention during his degrees.

As for "mumbo jumbo," if you actually study Masonic ritual, especially of the three degrees of the local lodge, you will find it is nothing of the kind. Additional, so called "higher" degrees added by appendant groups in the 1800s went through phases of attempting to hang alchemy, Kabbalah, mystical manifestations and party gags onto the fraternity It got veiled in the excess baggage of Victorian belief in anything and everything in search of making Masonry more mystical than it was first intended to be in the early 1700s. But the Masonry that goes on in the lodge down the street is really quite simple, basic, and beautifully rendered.

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I am aware of the Jack Straw inquiry, I was living there at
Feb 15, 2010 8:38PM PST

the time. But it isn't just the recent worries about the Old Boy Network that Freemasonry provided in many professions besides Law Enforcement in Britain. These concerns, valid or not, have pervaded public perception for more than a century. I did not mean to imply that they were true, merely that they were widely held, indeed so widely held that they creep into fiction and TV programs about the police in Britain, and not as with Dan Brown as primary plot points, but as a given background. I repeat, I don't particularly believe or care about their validity, I am just saying that the belief that they exist was (note the past tense) widely spread.

My maternal (Rnglish) Grandfather was a Mason, I have no axe to grind here. I am trying to give context. I find Dan Brown mildly amusing and enjoy all the disparate elements he draws together, but he's not writing the Great American Novel, just the Great American Best Seller, and good luck to him, but it's neither History with a capital H, nor is it the Truth handed down from on High. It's just amusement, and a keen eye for sales.

Rob

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if (when) they make a movie
Oct 28, 2009 1:29AM PDT

i just hope they give tom hanks a miss, on the other hand,
they could (should) find a place for Ayelet Zurer Happy

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Hanks should stick with "BIG"????
Oct 28, 2009 1:43AM PDT

LOL

I take it you're not a big fan of his....

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not a "great" fan of his
Oct 28, 2009 3:33AM PDT

although he did shine in Forrest Gump, and his performance in the Green Mile was good

but in Da Vinci and Demons and Angels? not at all

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Castaway was great but
Oct 28, 2009 3:36AM PDT

Resurrection was garbage and disappointing.

TONI H

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(NT) The Lost Cymbal? Can't we just follow our ears ?? Rob
Oct 28, 2009 3:18AM PDT
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Symbols ...
Feb 11, 2010 6:48PM PST

I thought the video was a very slick, well funded attempt to disarm any public intrigues that might develop as a result of Brown's book. Very slick ... a least a $300,000 or more budget. Lot's of expensive footage! Who's got that kind of money to fund a production like this ... surely the denizens of conspiracy theorist !!! No ... no ... no ... they don't have the money nor the organization to do so! This leaves the rest to you imagination ... follow the money!

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sounds like the UN, but....
Feb 11, 2010 7:00PM PST

...they aren't being very secret about it.

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Have not seen it, but...
Feb 11, 2010 10:10PM PST

just as in Brown's previous works, you have to bear in mind that he is writing fiction, so it really doesn't matter if it's not all strictly accurate.

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Good reading only....
Feb 11, 2010 11:10PM PST

I think Dan Brown takes an idea and runs with it. Its becoming more and more just a way to make a book rather to try to get at any real facts and/or hands on evidence. Interesting, but more a good book or movie if you like because its good reading. Using the same thinking that would make the first centuries of Christianity a litany of intrigue because it was for protection a hidden society, its practices, and meeting, etc., before it came into the open or rather became accepted. Which maybe why so much attention is given to Brown because of the parallels. -----Willy Happy

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(NT) 'one government world' Daniel 2:44
Feb 17, 2010 6:07AM PST