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Hp IPAq 6315 vs. Palm one Treo 650

by zgnupe / April 11, 2005 12:37 AM PDT

I am looking into buying a smartphone because I absolutely hate carrying my PDA, and my cellphone at the same time. I've researched the phones, and narrowed it down to the Treo 650 and the Ipaq 6315. I need it for scheduling, email, and maintaining business contacts. I've heard bad things about both but which one is better?

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hp 6315 vs. treo 650
by jasonneese / April 11, 2005 10:32 PM PDT

You've got two good choices, which makes choosing tough, I went through the same thing last year. I have the HP 6315, have had it since 1 day before it officially came out back in late August. I really love it, there doesn't seem to be any limitations to what it can do. However, it has a couple shortcomings...the camera is pretty useless, in anything other than perfect light you get a dark, grainy, essentially unusable image. Pocket PC GUI is good, but not great, I used the palm OS for a couple years prior and like it just as much. However, PPC is much more user configurable, with countless 3rd party options for altering the interface at least superficially. Just like MS windows, this interface tends to occasionally lock up, and has to be re-booted. But I really like the integration of a PPC interface, MS Outlook, and my hotmail account, which all fall under the microsoft umbrella, so I have no problems flowing information back and forth b/w all three (most of the time!). One huge plus that the HP has is Wi-Fi. Nowadays I see no excuse for not having this built in, there's just too much competition out there that are including it. I love being able to log on anywhere I find a hotspot, or if I'm desperate using the GSM, which the Treo has as well...GSM is still pretty slow, although it's usable for downloading internet email. The screen on the HP is magnificent, and although I use a protector that gets beat up pretty bad, it still looks superb, although in direct sunlight it gets washed out. Another drawback to the HP is it's size, especially compared to the Treo. I don't bother connecting the keyboard b/c it's already a little too big without it, and with it I don't think it would even fit in my belt carrier. The software keyboard function using the stylus works perfectly though, and is quite fast. The Treo has a much smaller footprint, but the screen is useless for watching any video, looking at pics, or playing games. If you have multimedia tendencies like I do, the Treo just doesn't cut it. One more thing, it looks like the Treo is sold in two models, one in CDMA, one in GSM...the HP is quad-band, it can function on all bands. I'm working in Indonesia, so when I came over here I simply popped in a local SIM chip, used the unlock code I got from T-Mobile, changed the band via the phone's interface, and oila! up and running.
I researched my HP purchase for months, as I do all major purchases, and was very excited to finally get this PDA. In the 6 months I've had it, I would say that overall I'm extremely happy with this product. That's the quick look, hope it helped, feel free to contact me with any questions...btw, I'm looking at buying a Treo 650 for my girlfriend b/c she wants something smaller than mine and doesn't need all the multimedia stuff, but she also likes the latest Blackberry! So, the research continues...

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HP vs.Treo
by zgnupe / April 13, 2005 6:38 AM PDT
In reply to: hp 6315 vs. treo 650

Thank you Jasonneese, that information will really help me. Until it was briefly taken off of the market for a software upgrade I was leaning towards the HP. I know a few people who have the Treo and they have said its camera is also worthless. I still have not decided yet, but it helps to have the first hand input.

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Ipaq review wins on battery life etc.
by rjpsell / April 14, 2005 8:17 AM PDT
In reply to: HP vs.Treo

HP iPAQ 6315 Pocket PC Phone
posted Sept. 12, 2004 by Lisa Gade, Editor in Chief
Page 1 of 3

After months of rumors, two years of waiting for various iterations of iPAQ Pocket PC phones that never made it to market in the US, and and a great deal of patience, the iPAQ 6315 is here. The iPAQ brand is the Kleenex of Pocket PCs, having become so established that novices often say "iPAQ" when they mean Pocket PC. Thus, we'd expect this model to take the market by storm, and boost T-Mobile's customer base since they have the initial exclusive offering on this product in the US.
HP iPAQ with included thumb keyboard.

Back of the 6315. The large plate is the removable battery.IPAQ is both a Pocket PC and a phone, and has a smorgasbord of features, yet sells for $499 activated and $599 without activation. Compared to other recent Pocket PC phones such as the Samsung i700, XDA II and even the aging Hitachi G1000, these are very competitive prices. In fact, T-Mobile offers the 6315 for the same price as the Treo 600, and the iPAQ brings a great deal more in terms of hardware and networking features to the table.

The 6315 has a quad band GSM mobile phone radio with GPRS for data, integrated WiFi and Bluetooth. It has a 240 x 320 QVGA transflective display, VGA camera, removable thumb keyboard, a decent amount of memory and a removable battery. Very nice!

That's an impressive laundry list of features, but generally the more you add on, the shorter the battery life. My XDA II sports many of the same features, but in the interest of battery life, I find myself using them sparingly when on the road. Pocket PC Phone Edition models aren't known for their long battery life, and generally require nightly charging (more if you're a phone-happy road warrior). Bluetooth and WiFi are serious battery hogs; and though those are exactly the tools a connected road warrior craves, using them often means carrying spare batteries, car chargers and the like. Among current generation Pocket PCs and PPC Phone Edition models, the iPAQ 6315 stands apart with its absolutely amazing battery life. After using the unit for a full day, the first word that came to mind was "liberating". I used the phone to make several calls with and without a Bluetooth headset, left both WiFi and Bluetooth turned on all day, used the device frequently for PIM lookups, played four short movies and surfed the web using WiFi for an hour and still had 65% charge at day's end. Liberating.

Of course, battery life comes at the expense of processor speed: the iPAQ has a 168MHz dual core processor Texas Instruments OMAP 1510 while most Pocket PCs are running at 300 to 400MHz with a select few at 624MHz speeds. Still, the device is usable and responsive enough for MS Office work, accessing PIM info and more. It also runs most games well and does an OK job of video playback. Just as with PCs, PDAs are in the midst of a megahertz war, so some buyers will shy away from the iPAQ solely based on its CPU speed. I myself have always craved the fastest devices, but after enjoying this "liberation", I'm having second thoughts about my own need for speed, especially for a device that's also a phone, and thus needs great battery life to be truly useful and compete with standard feature phones. My XDA II, with its state of the art PXA263 XScale processor running at 400MHz with 128 megs of RAM easily fulfills my need for speed. But at the end of the day, it doesn't hit that sweet spot for battery life, doesn't come with a thumb keyboard and it doesn't have integrated WiFi with great reception and seamless hand-off between GRPS and WiFi connections. To top it off, in terms of perceived performance, both are very usable for everyday tasks and gaming. Am I tempted to switch? Surprisingly, yes!

Features at a Glance

The 6315 targets those who want to be always connected. It runs Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition, has a quad band GSM radio, class 10 GPRS for data, integrated Bluetooth and WiFi. It has a 168MHz processor, 75 megs of user accessible storage, a VGA camera, user replaceable battery and like all Pocket PCs, it can play MP3s and videos. As with all PPC phones, it comes with Pocket Internet Explorer and Outlook, as well as several instant messaging apps not included on other PPC phones.

In the Box

The 6315 comes with a sync cradle with a USB connector (has a slot to charge a spare battery too), a world charger with swappable plugs for worldwide locations, a charger adapter that mates the charger connector to the iPAQ sync port, a CasesOnline thick black leather horizontal belt case with magnetic closures and a T-Mobile logo, thumb keyboard, manuals and a software CD. Also included are a mono headset with mic for phone use and a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter that allows you to plug standard cell phone headsets into the iPAQ's 3.5mm stereo headphone jack. That's a nice bundle of goodies, though the case may prove bulky and awkward if you prefer flip cases over belt mountable cases. The case is large enough to accommodate the iPAQ wearing its thumb keyboard.

Design and Ergonomics

As Pocket PC phones go, the iPAQ 6315 is relatively compact, and is nearly the same size as the iPAQ 2215. Its straight sides feel good in the hand, and the rubber grips mean it will stay firmly in your hand. Unlike the 2215, these grips are mounted nearly flush with the unit casing and are firmly adhered, so they should stay put for a long time to come. Several buttons are incorporated into the grips, and you'll find the record button, the reset hole and the door for the headphone jack on the left. The volume up and down buttons are located topmost on the right grip, followed by the SD card slot and camera button.

A large and durable antenna is mounted on the top left of the unit, and the IR window and ear piece speaker are located in the black cap dead center. The iPAQ also has a large rear-firing speaker located on the back and this is used for system sounds and the speakerphone. The power button and three LEDs that indicate phone, Bluetooth and WiFi status are located on the top right face of the phone. Four buttons flank the excellent circular directional pad: contacts, call send on the left and call end and email on the right. While the phone send and end buttons are not remappable on Pocket PC phones, the other buttons can be assigned to the application of your choice. Unlike the XDA II, the call send and end buttons are not backlit. The USB sync connector is located on the bottom as you'd expect, and the included thumb keyboard plugs into this port. Unlike many prior iPAQs, HP states that this model isn't compatible with their optional serial sync cable, so you will need to have USB on your PC and Windows 98 SE or newer. The VGA camera lens is located on the rear of the unit as is the user replaceable battery.

The 6315 uses the same sync connector as the iPAQ 3000, 5000 and 2200 series models, so accessories that connect to the sync connector should be compatible, depending only on software driver compatibility for items such as keyboards and cabled GPS.

Phone Features and Functionality

Like all Pocket PC phones, the iPAQ has a large on-screen dialer application with numbers that are large enough to dial using a finger. This screen has a call send/end button, a speed dial button, call history button and a hold button that appears when in a call. You can mute a call by tapping on the mic icon in the task bar, bring up the address book by tapping the Contacts icon and open Notes if you wish to jot down notes or drawings when in a call. You need not tap out phone numbers using the on-screen dialer, and instead can make calls with one press using the speed dial function. Speed dial can hold up to 99 numbers (1 is assigned to voicemail), and if you wish to use voice dialing you can purchase Microsoft's Voice Command which works well with the iPAQ. Voice Command (reviewed here) does much more than simply handling calls, and works with Bluetooth headsets on the iPAQ.

T-Mobile has customized the Today Screen with a plugin that has buttons for the Call Log and Voice Mail. If you've missed a call, the Call Log Button changes to "Missed Calls" and flashes. Tap on this button to view missed calls. If you have Voice Mail waiting, the Voice Mail button flashes and you can press it to call voice mail. They also have a push email plugin, that will notify you (via SMS) when you have new mail in up to three accounts. You'll need to configure your email accounts on T-Mobile's web site and the service is free.

All Pocket PC Phones have flight mode, and the iPAQ 6315 is no exception. Simply tap on the signal strength meter on the menu bar and select flight mode to turn off all wireless features. You can still use the PDA functions when the device is in flight mode. Signal strength has been excellent in the San Francisco Bay Area. The phone rivals the best Nokias and narrowly beats out the XDA II which has an excellent radio and RF. In areas of moderate to strong signal strength, our 6315 pulled in 4 bars (that's maximum on PPC phones) and in weak areas faired as well as the XDA II and Nokia N-Gage QD which has an excellent GSM radio. The iPAQ uses GPRS class 10 for data over mobile phone networks, and our connections have been strong and consistent.

Horsepower and Performance

The iPAQ has a Texas Instruments OMAP 1510 dual core processor running at 168MHz. One core, which handles Pocket PC and OS tasks is ARM compatible (meaning the unit can run ARM and XScale software) and the other is a multimedia DSP (digital signal processor) that handles graphics, sound and voice. This processor is popular for multimedia phones of the non-Pocket PC variety and TI refers to it as a performance CPU, though the clock speed is not impressive by Pocket PC standards. It has 55 megs of available RAM and 20 megs of persistent NAND flash memory available as the iPAQ File Store. As with other iPAQs, the File Store will survive a hard reset since it's NAND. That's an average amount of memory for a Pocket PC, though power users will crave more. As with all Pocket PCs, you can use SD memory cards to install programs and files should internal memory prove insufficient. I would have liked to see even more memory, but HP may have decided against it in the interest of superb battery life because SDRAM consumes power even when the device is in standby.

How fast or slow does the iPAQ feel? If you compare a 400MHz Pocket PC and the iPAQ side by side, you will notice a difference. If you're using it for daily business tasks with no comparison unit, you won't notice the difference that much. There is a small delay at times waiting for windows to open, and large Pocket Word and PowerPoint presentations will take a bit longer to open. Certainly, the unit is no slug, and these delays are minor. If you're an XDA user (the original T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone), the iPAQ will seem comparable. If you're an XDA II user, the iPAQ will seem slower but certainly bearable. The TI processor does a good job despite its clock speed, but the unit sits firmly at the low end for CPU benchmarks compared to recent Pocket PCs. The DSP core does help graphics performance which is quite respectable. While most Pocket PC phones offered in the US don't have blazing processors (the XDA II is only available from importers in the US), only you can decide if battery life is paramount to speed.

Next-> Go to Review Page 2 (multimedia, display, battery, keyboard)
XDA II (2003, 400MHz) Samsung i700 (2002, 300Mhz PXA250, 300MHz turbo mode) T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone (XDA) (2002, 206MHz ARM)
Dell Axim X5 (2002, 400MHz XScale)
iPAQ 6315
Spb Benchmark index 1365 917 1062 752 742
CPU index 1857 878 1008 912 714
File system index 1076 854 1037 855 667
Graphics index 1179 1649 1734 434 1674
Platform index 1164 700 881 629 731
Write 1 MB file (KB/sec) 1242 550 791 657 600
Read 1 MB file (MB/sec) 25.8 17.8 19.6 15.9 11.1
Copy 1 MB file (KB/sec) 1251 564 790 716 588
Write 10 KB x 100 files (KB/sec) 850 407 540 477 467
Read 10 KB x 100 files (MB/sec) 9.22 5.79 6.45 5.26 5.22
Copy 10 KB x 100 files (KB/sec) 742 355 461 376 435
Directory list of 2000 files (thousands of files/sec) 18.6 94.8 118 112 20.2
Internal database read (records/sec) 1450 715 608 398 591
Graphics test: DDB BitBlt (frames/sec) 122 122 204 41.8 236
Graphics test: DIB BitBlt (frames/sec) 23.1 22.8 21.3 12.3 12.3
Graphics test: GAPI BitBlt (frames/sec) 136 216 217 47.1 259
Pocket Word document open (KB/sec) 38.7 22.9 32.2 22.5 26.3
Pocket Internet Explorer HTML load (KB/sec) 7.76 5.53 7.19 4.73 5.51
Pocket Internet Explorer JPEG load (KB/sec) 244 68.9 70.7 79.7 108
File Explorer large folder list (files/sec) 580 231 311 238 469
Compress 1 MB file using ZIP (KB/sec) 246 60.8 107 65.5 170
Decompress 1024x768 JPEG file (KB/sec) 611 396 322 423 230
Arkaball frames per second (frames/sec) 99.9 106 107 38.2 87.4
CPU test: Whetstones MFLOPS (Mop/sec) 0.076 0.057 0.046 0.061 0.03
CPU test: Whetstones MOPS (Mop/sec) 55.5 55.4 34.1 54.1 24.3
CPU test: Whetstones MWIPS (Mop/sec) 5.01 3.65 2.98 3.96 2.14
Memory test: copy 1 MB using memcpy (MB/sec) 177 70.1 71.3 65 29.9

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Display: Transflective TFT color LCD, 64K colors, Screen Size Diag: 3.5", Resolution: 240 x 320.

Battery: Lithium Ion Polymer rechargeable. Battery is user replaceable. 1000 mA. 1800 mA extended battery available for purchase.

Performance: Intel XScale PXA 255 400 MHz processor. 64 MB built-in RAM (55 megs available). 32 MB Flash ROM with 2.85 megs available in File Store for your use.

Size: 4.47 x 2.78 x .53 in. Weight: 4.67 oz.

Audio: Built in speaker, mic and 3.5mm standard stereo headphone jack. Voice Recorder and Windows Pocket Media Player 9 included for your MP3 pleasure.

Networking: Integrated WiFi 802.11b (also supporting LEAP) and Bluetooth.

Software: Pocket PC 2003 Premium operating system (aka Windows Mobile 2003). Microsoft Pocket Office suite including Pocket Word, Excel, Internet Explorer, and Outlook. Also, Terminal Services, MSN Instant Messenger for Pocket PC, MS Reader and Voice Recorder as well as handwriting recognition. 3rd party software: Westtek ClearVue Suite, F-Secure FileCrypto Data Encryption, Colligo Personal Edition, Adobe PDF Viewer, RealOne Player for Pocket PC, iPresenter PowerPoint converter, MobiMate WorldMate. ActiveSync 3.7 and Outlook 2002 for PCs included.

Expansion: 1 SD (Secure Digital) slot, 4 bit data bus, supporting SDIO and SDIO Now!. Can NOT use iPAQ expansion sleeves.

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