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how to search the web?

Aug 18, 2005 6:02AM PDT

ok, i been around awhile, but perhaps i'm still not searching correctly, or efficiently.

lets say i put in as search criteria "birthday+girl+bottom+australian".. what i get is a bunch of images of jars of jelly, and no nicole kidman anywhere!

am i doing this the wrong way? there a link to some tutorial on what constitutes proper search parameters and symbols?
and god forbid i try to find anything at microsoft.

thanks alot Happy

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hmmm...
Aug 18, 2005 6:35AM PDT

You ARE using Google aren't you?? Try it without the '+' sign. Google also has a quasi tutorial.

and life goes on...

Jack

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chromesn, Why Not Simply Search For...
Aug 18, 2005 7:21AM PDT

..."Nicole Kidman" if that's what you want..Why type things that aren't going to get you where you want to go? If using Google, typing in a few words will usually find enough links to work with.

Don't enclose terms with "quotation marks" unless you want links with ONLY those exact terms listed. I usually don't use + marks either, although that works fine for some things. Be creative.

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Try Try and Try again
Aug 18, 2005 7:27AM PDT

I was a little confused how searching for 'girl birthday bottom australian' was going to find nicole kidman.

If you are using google you can 'search within results' of your first search so you could then type in nicole kidman.

Search for a website that might have what your looking for on it.

Remember good sites or add them to your favourites. a good one to remember is howthingswork.com.

Hope this helps!

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ree
Aug 18, 2005 9:48AM PDT

lol. that was just an example i made up. what i'm getting at, i guess, is, is there a way to exclude extraneous data in search parameters so as not to end up with, say "bob's sash and blind store" when searching for "windows".

(yes, i use google, and don't enclose things in quotes)

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Yes, but no...
Aug 18, 2005 12:32PM PDT

You'll frequently run across sites that add lists of random words and phrases to their sites in order to attract people looking for something their site doesn't offer. Unfortunately, this is beacuse search engines don't have AI...they scan all known sites and ask the question ''does this site contain the words 'chromesn' entered...yes or no.''

Since the internet has become popular, everyone is creating their own web pages, most of which are 'junk.' If you type in the phrase ''the Ten Commandments,'' you're going to get a mix of results...everything from biblical quotes to sales pitches to sites offering things condemned by the Bible. It's tough wading through the junk to find what you want.

Thus, conducting a good search is now becoming an art. You have to give enough of a description to limit the amount of junk, but not limit it so much as to prevent the display of legitimate results. While you're mastering that ''technique,'' you'll want to check out Google's advanced search, which lets you type in words that must be included, words that can be included, words that you don't want included, and exact phrases that you'd like to have in the results. You can also filter out results that are old, in other languages, or originated from other countries. Then, if you use Yahoo search, you can also login and have certain domains (like www.advertising.com) automatically excluded from your search results. Once all of these ''filters'' have been applied, you'll reduce the number of hits from several million to several hundred, most of which will be exactly what you are looking for.

Hope this helps,
John

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Once you...
Aug 19, 2005 1:42AM PDT

get your primary search..go to 'advanced search' on the top of the screen. There is a section for 'don't include these words'.

and life goes on...

Jack

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Use Google,you want Kidman,type Nicole Kidman
Aug 18, 2005 11:01PM PDT

Don't use freaking WWW. Whatever. I you want Nicole Kidman,type it in the search .

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That's not the issue
Aug 26, 2005 7:11AM PDT

The issue with many searchers is that they do *NOT* know the name of what they're searching for and are trying to look it up. If someone only knows Nicole Kidman by some article, movie, whatever and not by name, then they can't type in what they don't know. Like using the very word to define that word

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You search by the info you do have...
Aug 27, 2005 6:13AM PDT
If someone only knows Nicole Kidman by some article, movie, whatever and not by name, then they can't type in what they don't know. Like using the very word to define that word

If you know the article or the movie then that is the search criteria to use. For instance if you know she was in "Batman Forever" or "Practical Magic" or "Moulin Rouge" use them in the search (and to narrow it also use the word actress).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22Moulon+Rouge%22+with+%22actress%22&btnG=Search

Of course one assumes you would recognize the name if you saw it but couldn't remember it for a search term.
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using your search input brought up the kidman movie
Aug 18, 2005 11:24PM PDT

birthday girl for me. it was the 1st result presented by google.

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I think he probably did an image search ...
Aug 29, 2005 12:04AM PDT

... but even then, that was not really the issue.

I find Google to be fickle sometimes.

In the past, I've used it to successfully find hardware drivers by searching for any of the various numbers I could find on the piece of hardware in question (usually network or video cards).

Yet on the other hand, I've had many searches come up empty when looking for info/help on specific Windows error messages.

As mentioned before, you just keep playing around with your search terms until you're left with a result that looks prompising.

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Meta search engines
Aug 25, 2005 11:52PM PDT

Besides Google, there are a couple of meta-search engines that I use to find "stuff." These give you more options on searching. As with Google and other engines, they have an Advanced search option to further refine your conditions.

You can also download WebFerret and/or Copernic, which are meta search engines that reside on your local PC, and can be locally, permanently configured.

http://www.metacrawler.com/index.html
uses Google

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GOOOD TIP
Aug 26, 2005 1:48AM PDT

Thanks for this. I used to use Dogpile before Google came along. Should probably ababandon my need to follow the crowd, eh?

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They are good
Aug 26, 2005 1:50AM PDT

I have used both metacrawler and dogpile in the past, Yahoo and Google are clearly the best search engines (and fastest), but its nice to sometimes get results across multiple sites like those 2 do.

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Critical Mistake
Aug 26, 2005 12:20AM PDT

you are doing it the wrong way when u type like this
"birthday+girl+bottom+australian"..

the qoutation marks are there to identify that the whole phrases as it is to be searched and the '+' sign mean that the word with this sign is a must i urge you to write like this
+"birthday girl" +australia you will get the desired result

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Best search lessons I ever had
Aug 26, 2005 3:03AM PDT

came from my local public librarian, who in an hour had taught me tons of tricks of the trade of professional searchers. A one page hand out from her and a link to the library web site provided more help.

Librarians have been cataloging info throughout history, and the search engines use the basic intellectual structure and conventions that info seekers have developed and relied upon. Even without advertising and tricks some sites play to get you to their lairs, refining searches to get just what you want has always been necessary.

I strongly recommend improving your enjoyment and effectiveness on your web searches by taking advantage of your librarian.

Helped me tremendously.

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(NT) (NT) If you need help searching the web, how did you get on cnet?
Aug 27, 2005 9:07AM PDT
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the meaning of life....
Aug 28, 2005 11:49AM PDT

Google is the best overall I've used. Yahoo is more strucktured I suppose you'd say and can be very helpful as well.
For movies, TV shows, and actors try

www.imdb.com/

You can search by movie, show, person, directors....

For people I find

http://www.whosaliveandwhosdead.com/

kind of interesting. Has birth and death data of lots of people. Including born on this date and died on this date. Been handy in several trivia disagree...er discussions.