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How to pick out a new TV by picture Quality.

by gabereyes / May 3, 2006 7:08 AM PDT

Look for black level the blacker the better, but beware some TV's can hit good blacks but try to hard and cover up dark image detial aka shadow detail.

Look for true white not brightness a good TV should hit a pure white, if you look at tvs side by side youll see white with blue tint or white with red tint, both ways or wrong white should look like a piece of paper, not bright white but a soft white.

Look for skin color, if it looks like everyone is sun burnt the TV pushs red to hard, if they look to washed out it push blue to hard, blue is a trick to make white's look better, this trick is also used in laundry detergent that why most of liquid forms or blue in color.

Look for sharpness, usually a sharper picture is wrong, most TV's have a sharpness control and or edge enhancment aka VCM. the picture should be soft like a AMC theater picture, TV makers put this in to give a false sence of sharpness.
This is what really is happening,the processor trys to add a white outline around edges to make them look sharper, the problem is that the processor has to guess where the edge's are and ends up putting noise or snow in the rest of the picture.

all of these quality's together will make the picture look real and more 3D, and easier on the eyes, most people get tierd watch TV, meanly because the picture is bad or too bright, this is hard on the eyes and makes your eyes tierd witch makes you sleepy.

good luck and happy hunting.

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by stewart norrie / May 3, 2006 9:09 AM PDT

But I believe picture quality and sound quality are a personal thing, Most new hi-def t.v.s have a beautiful picture , but there are small differences in display types. anyway have a good day stewart

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thats true....except..(and i'm sure you'll agree with me)
by masterying01 / May 3, 2006 3:33 PM PDT

a lot of tv's arent caliberated properly. once they are, there are customers who will mess it up again(for big box stores)...oh and btw...the next person that turns the contrast all the way up on our 60xbr1 at the store.....WILL BE PUNCHED IN THE FACE. >:)

with a knowledgable salesmen....they can make some quick fixes most of the time...but thats not a common thing considering most bigbox employees wont know what to do with a remote if they were given one...let alone change settings without a remote.

but in the right setting...those are definitely the things to look out for. screw the 1080p garbage...most people wont see the difference...and 10,000:1 contrast dont mean anything either unless you plan on looking at the spec sheet on the back of the manual more then actually watching your tv.

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by jcrobso / May 4, 2006 1:02 AM PDT

I know what you mean, but it's probably aganist BBY policy, Oh well.

After spending 6 months looking at TVs I now can tell the difference fairly quickly. Last time I was at Costco they had rearanged the HDTV display so you would see them as soon as you walked in. They were 30' away I could not see the name on the sets, but I could pick out the JVC LCoS set at that distance. But as the sets are getting better it will become more difficult.

Also look at the HDTV from different angles and distancess. I found this very usefull, some only look good when you are standing 10~15' away, If it looks good a 5' then this is a set you should spend some time watching. If your spending $2000+ spend at least a hour watching the set before you buy. John

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by Larry Pigeon / May 4, 2006 6:50 AM PDT

Why could you pick out the JVC lcos? Was it better or just different?

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Was it better or just different?
by jcrobso / May 8, 2006 12:56 AM PDT
In reply to: Curious

I spent 6 months looking a HDTVs at , Sams, Costco, BBY, CC, Sears,etc.
Each technology has it's good points and not so good points. I look for over all quality of the picture.
Ten years ago I was working part time for an AV company installing CRT data projectors. We stood as close to the screen as we could to check out the adjustments, then we would back up and see how it look at a normal distance.
When I did this in my search, the two types of displies that looked the best realy close were the CRT-RP and the LCoS RP sets by JVC and Sony. The reason for this is that CRT-rp has 3 crt tubes and the LCoS sets have 3 LCoS chpis, one for each color. Also the JVC has a very wide viewing angle that many of the LCD & DLP RP sets do not have. You can compaire the LCoS sets to any other new tech RP set and the LCoS will have a better picture. John

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jcrob HOW MUCH BETTER IS L.Co.S over d.l.p.
by stewart norrie / May 8, 2006 3:21 PM PDT

I have heard many glowing reports from you and several other pros here at cnet about the j..v.c lcos and really wanted to buy one , but when I finally saw one on display it looked horrible they were feeding it an anolog signal thru line input so I really could not judge picture quality In disgust I bought my brand X ha ha 72" d.l.p. set which Iam very happy with so my question is does the LCoS sets look better than the d.l.p. t.v.s As you know I went to the doctor and he gave me some anti Toshiba drugs and gave me 2 Sony decals to put over my Toshiba logo Iam feeling better now have a nice day stewart

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anti Toshiba drugs and gave me 2 Sony
by jcrobso / May 9, 2006 7:50 AM PDT

Well if that dosen't work then we will have to use electric shock therapy!!!! Just kidding!!
Again makeing sure that the store is useing that same input for all TVs to keep them on the up & up.
Stew I have seen your T******a AT FRY's and it does have a very good picture. John

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Thanks for the help
by Larry Pigeon / May 9, 2006 12:09 AM PDT

I'll try that when I get a chance. Not just everybody carries the the jvc particularly the 1080. Tom

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A little more info please
by Larry Pigeon / May 11, 2006 12:08 PM PDT

The jvc lcos interest me because of being able to get the lcos technology (picture) without having to pay the premium price of 1080p. Do you see that much difference in the 1080 and 720 in the jvc? I'm asking for an opinion because I live in a rural area and getting into the city to do a comparison and then pulling it off is sometimes easier said than done. Tom

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here is a fun fact
by gabereyes / May 4, 2006 1:12 PM PDT

Samsung put a system in the new HLS models that let them go into the stores and push and hold the menu button down to start up a so called SHOP MODE this lets customers play with the settings and ten minutes after the TV auto sets back to the dynamic defult settings.

I think the defalt settings suck so I wait for the samsung rep to leave and turn off the shop mode, and correct the settings, Im there ever day, he only comes in one a month so im winning so far.

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Plasma TV
by telli97 / May 14, 2006 1:55 AM PDT

I got myself a Hitachi plasma TV after countless visits to many retailers who would shy away from answering my doubts.
Many have asked me to choose a TV by simply looking at the ones on display. They would play a HD-DVD on a lower-end model and decline to verify the input source. I had a tough time but now absolutely happy with my Hitachi Plasma TV TD series

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by BONSPEED / May 4, 2006 6:43 AM PDT

purchasing a hdtv these days has become as bewildering and tedious as buying a car. despite a market with a infinite array of choices and extreme competition for the dollar, finding a knowledgable and reputable saleperson is rare. many of the chain stores have their hdtvs lock in with a single feed (usually a hd promote) and if your discovered trying out the adjustments, a five salesmen alarm goes off. specialty stores are a dying breed and their expertise often come at a price.picture quality, like everything else, is subjective and many newcomers cant tell the difference even when there pointed out. review requests on specific models usually mean one of two reasons. finding a deal too good to be true, or not having it available to judge the model personally. its a small wonder that there arent any hdtv workshops for consumers, but then again, who be able to sponsor it without bias? i suspect in the end, the fear with newcomers is not being able to get a great performer rather then getting stuck with a lemon (gateway, viore, hisense).

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by Riverledge / May 9, 2006 8:38 AM PDT

THE SONY LCoS models can give you peek.


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by stewart norrie / May 6, 2006 5:52 AM PDT

It seems the big box stores really dont want you to buy a hi-def t.v. salesman that run like cockroaches when a customer comes in or if you ask them a question they will excuse themselvs and run away, It took me years to get the bugs out of my system and wasted money on equipment that did not work properly , thanks to the salespeople at big box stores. I now buy from a small retailer that greats me with a smile and spends the time so I make the rite choice. and in the end I save money

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hey how did you know I run from customers
by gabereyes / May 9, 2006 4:51 PM PDT

every time I see a customer I run to the bathroom lol.

no really sometimes I do see an older customers, like in there 70s or 80s and I dont really want to go help them just because it take an hour just to exsplain why all the Tv's are wide and have black bars on them, but I still help them I just take a huge breath before I start.

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i had a customer yesterday, i have never been so scared
by masterying01 / May 10, 2006 12:34 AM PDT

at first, he was an older customer so i greeted him and thanked him for comming to bby. i asked if he had any questions about these brand new 50inch tv's. (he was looking at plasma's). he looks at me. comes close to me and started telling me a story. the story involved a cop arresting a guy who owned a porno theater which were cutting off people's private parts, and the owner of the theater would take those parts and use it as a whistle. then the customer was laughing out loud...literally... as though it was hilarious. (i am not lieing or being sarcastic about one thing here, all this was true.)

i've been hugged, i've been yelled at, i've been racially discriminated, i've been cussed out, i've been pushed, and a lot more. but this tops them all as the craziest customer i've dealt with. i walked away. far far away. i will still try to help all people of all ages, but this guy just creeped me out for a good 10 minutes after he told me the story. he looked like he was around 65.

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That's realy strange,,,
by jcrobso / May 10, 2006 1:30 AM PDT

I been in customer service for forty years and never had anything that strange, there have been some times when people get very close if I don't feel comfortable I will move a foot or two away.
I feel you had the right to courteously interrupt the customer and set a boundry about the course the conversation is taking. I know this is easier said than done. You are there to help the customer, but you are not a doormat. John

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(NT) (NT) what did he look like so I know when to run. lol
by gabereyes / May 10, 2006 6:08 AM PDT
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by stewart norrie / May 12, 2006 4:01 AM PDT

Actually home theater keeps me alive, I remember building my first Heathkit 21" color t.v. MY awsome Roberts reel to reel tape recorder, and Heathkit Williamsion tube amps. etc. etc. Now watching n.a.s.c.a.r racing from fox network 70 miles from the station with a cheap outside antenna in 70mm film quality and 5.1. sound makes me 10 years younger. So please all you great salespeople there are some of us oldie farts that are cool. Truly hi-def is the best thing since the light bulb KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK HAVE A COOL DAY HA HA STEWART

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Kit built HD?
by deckpinz / May 12, 2006 12:15 PM PDT
In reply to: OLD IS SOOOO COOL

Ok so where can I buy Heathkits new 60 inch HD, plasma 1080 dpi, with all the bells and whistles? Is there a kit? IF not why not? Anyone want to start up a "new" concept company? Surly with the age of electronics and chips home built plug and play must be at hand again. (Any one have a spare Light Bright?) LOL....

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by stewart norrie / May 12, 2006 2:21 PM PDT
In reply to: Kit built HD?

Heathkits were the Cadillac of electronics, I built a complete stereo system, t.v. set, tube tester, v.t.v.m. You built from scratch, and hand wire everything, Heathkit used the best parts on the market and the finished product would be better than anything on the market The problem is now all electronics are assambled by machine and componits are so small it would be imposible to do have a nice week end stewart

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Have someone edit your writing
by iwinklercnet / May 13, 2006 1:19 AM PDT

You have some useful information, but your spelling and grammar are in severe need of help. Get someone to help you state your ideas in a clearer and more precise manner.

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Sum peeple
by toddtee / May 13, 2006 4:40 AM PDT

seam not unable to fine there spell-chuckers or no gramma. its sew sad that thay don get no beter edgeucashun then thaat.

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