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How much photography experience do you have?

Dec 12, 2005 8:34AM PST

How much photography experience do you have? (please share your story)

Less than a year
1 to 2 years
3 to 5 years
6 to 8 years
9 to 12 years
13 to 17 years
18 to 25 years
26 to 35 years
More than 35 years
None, I?m a complete newbie!

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Long term Photographer
Dec 13, 2005 3:53AM PST

I have been involved with potography for over 60 years and have seen many changes in cameras, film and darkrtoom techniques. The recent digital boom has enabled many novice photographers as well as 'experts' to improve their photographic creatively greatly.
Digital photography is exciting and refreshing. It has taken me about 2 years to understand enough to do digital manipulations. Whether or not this new technology is good or bad I?ll leave up to you.
1. Good digital photography is not easy. It is easy to make a mess of an image and do it quickly. The advantage of the computer imaging programs is that the errors made can be corrected or erased immediately and the good images can be save for future use.
2. GIGO This is an acronym for Garbage In Garbage Out. It doesn?t matter if one is the best manipulator of digital images, if one is a poor photographer, the results will be poor. The basics do not change: composition, light quality and technical skills. The old adage is true: ?what matters is not the equipment, but, instead, the person holding it.?
The computer can be a great teacher. Things such as hue, saturation, contrast can be explored repeatedly to improve your concepts. These are repeatable and savable. In the darkroom when one experiments with these modalities time, chemicals and paper are sacrificed and many time they have to be redone to get the desired effect.
Conclusions? We each have to decide for ourselves as to which methods we will use in the ultimate quest for the ?Perfect Image.? Whether it is achieved thru bits and bytes or chemical reactions is inconsequential. After all, it is the judges of our art, who will decide what is or is not, acceptable.

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Long termer
Dec 13, 2005 4:09AM PST

Boy, you beat me. I've been doing darkroom work since 1963. Photography has changed. In the 70s, when Ciba made color printing "accessable" to home photographers, I thought that things couldn't get much better for photographers. Then came digital...

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Log term photographer
Dec 13, 2005 4:16AM PST

i endorse everything kendeitch has written. Digital cameras have enable more people to take poor photos.I would urge people to go to the local library to get manuals covering basic photographic techniques & rules on composition, depth of field etc then practice these techniques until they become second nature. You will be amazed at the improvements seen in your pics.You will also be surprised how much other people will enjoy viewing your work. Try it.

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About 3 years
Dec 13, 2005 5:21AM PST

My first camera was a Kodak box camera. I thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. However, time has marched on and technology has given us much better tools to work with and made available to the average Joe the abililty to work with his photos as never before.

I certainly agree with all of the above comments as they provide solid foundations to better our efforts. While I do normally strive for a picture that can be shared and enjoyed by all, sometimes I just like to take a picture and work on it for my own enjoyment. I am not worried about it being a masterpiece or whether or not it pleases anyone other than myself. I have a few of those that others don't share my enthusiasm for, but I still find them extrememly pleasing.

Digital photograhpy has given me the tools to do something that gives me great pleasure and as the saying goes, we have come a long way baby.

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35 years, over 100,000 images, camera designer
Dec 13, 2005 9:11AM PST

OK - started at 10 with a cheapy 120 camera. That melted in the sun.. Started again at ~19 with an old Yashica TLR. Took some award winning photos with that camera. Moved to an SLR (Contax 139 when it came out) with Zeiss lenses while at University (Physics major). Supplemented my income with photography jobs. Decided dream job was working for Leitz (Leica company). Graduated and worked for them in R&D. About that time my tailor told me my left shoulder was 1.5" higher than my right from having my camera bag (2 bodies, winder, flash, 6 lenses, 21 filters) a permanent fixture on my left shoulder. Won 3 more amature contests while at Leitz. Left Leitz to design cameras for a naval aviator application. Left that to design cameras for automated inspection. Left that to design cameras for robotics. Still doing that and some laser stuff. People think that my hot-shot physics degree gives me all of my insight, but at least half of it comes from my amatuer photography (amature, because I never made more than 1/2 my earnings doing photography). Got about 13 patents, about half of those in optical design. Have over 40 thousand B&W photos from my college days (bought film by the 1,000 ft roll and bulk loaded cassettes). Have over 40,000 Kodachrome slides. Sold my darkroom 3 years ago. Have 2 digicams (1 has a Lieica lens.....). Spent 3 weeks in the Netherlands this year, brought back over 2400 (digital) photos. Recently did some portrait work using film and digital cameras - after printing can't tell which photos came from which camera (except by filenames). Currently having fun making huge mosiacs from multiple overlapping images.

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oldie but moldie photographer
Dec 13, 2005 9:33AM PST

I do agree with you, I had 35mm NikormatFS a very fine Camera with a noticeable shutter that you'll never forget. My Dad Got it for me back in 68 when soldiers were being shipped out to Nam and they needed the cash to blow as they were only paid once a month. My Ex took up photography in college and bought it from me knowing it was the finest. It was in my hands and a major car accident for over 20 yrs. as far as i know still using it. Then i bought a NikormatFNS for 18yrs it has better features. Which is my next point how long will a digtal hold up. Granted no processing, no chemicals, no bulk loading, no darkroom no Ah yes the digital world or should i say the disposable world. At least i can pick what kind of film i can shoot at a instant an adjust accordingly to the enviroment and blow it up to 8x10 and not worry about how grainy it will be. Can a digital? after 5x7 i have a problem with details. The Draw back on 35mm.Damm it's getting costly to process. You need basic lessons and pick a camera you know from past expreienced photographers on dependablity. Camera's are like cheap car brakes they only work until you really need them.

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Grain with 8x10 ?
Dec 13, 2005 6:43PM PST

I bought my first SLR in 1968. I now use a 3 year old 4 MP Olympus 4000c. With it I can produce 8x10 prints that rival any 35mm camera (no grain). If you can't do that you need a new camera. My three 35mm SLR's rarely get used any more.

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Shooting since being a kid, wait, I still am......
Dec 13, 2005 4:13AM PST

I started in the dark ages of B&W film using a Corvette 620 camera for fun in the '50's. After the Kodak Instamatics came out our family had a couple of them. I went into the service carrying an Instamatic. While overseas in SEA I switched to slides when I found out they were cheaper to process and also easier to store. I bought a Canon Canonet 35mm rangefinder camera while in Thailand and brought it home. I then upgraded to an SLR by buying a Minolta SRT-101. Bought a couple of lenses for it, still shooting slides. Through the years I used it, then a Minolta XG-7, a Maxxum 7000 and finally a Maxxum 7000i. Shooting vacations, family events, car shows, races, people, etc. I aquired over 17,000 slides. Watching the digital camera developements, I took the leap in 2003 with an Olympus 730UZ and am not sorry I did.

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Ditto, shooting since kid..
Dec 13, 2005 4:38AM PST

Started out-late 40's,using a kodak box camera with 116 film then later to a brownie. After several different kodaks, some polaroids, an argus, a C44, speed graphic 4x 5, a bronicia ERTS, couple of pentax SLRs, canon rebel slr and on into the digital world.
Lots of advantages today, good quality and ability to make special artwork with software, etc.
Times have really changed in some 60 year and I have enjoyed being a part of it. Unfortunately, thanks to Betsy and Katrina, I am missing hundreds of old phots.

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Hey! I still am too...
Dec 13, 2005 5:23AM PST

... but it does feel strange to evaluate my time behind a lens. Life is fascinating.
I'm in the group that takes photos. I always wished I had the time, money and space to develop my own.
37 years ago I was given my first camera, a Kodak Instamatic. 31 years ago I started to learn composition with a totally manual Agfa and black and white film. I had a good mentor and experimented a lot and learned about bracketing (taking a shot at higher and lower speeds and apertures to where I thought the settings should be) in the days before you could sneak a peak at what you just snapped. I moved to a manual Ricoh SLR screw-mount 27 years ago, then an automatic/manual Ricoh bayonette-mount SLR 21 years ago. I had a great zoom lens for the original Ricoh. A goal with these cameras was to use natural light as much as possible, even inside. That was fun. I've learned a lot about depth of field and lighting with the Agfa and Ricohs. 6 years ago I ''got lazy'' and moved to a Canon point-and-shoot for travel purposes - when you have kids hangin' all over you, it's difficult to get the aperture set up, then the speed, then focus - by that time, I'd miss some good shots. Then 2 years ago I started using a Sony digital camera and recently got a small Canon digital.
I have enjoyed capturing things through a lens. I have fun with ''what's it'' pictures - taking a picture of something close up (a stack of logs, old barn wood, that kind of stuff) and making people guess what or where it is. I have also ended up with some good shots of the beauty of the outdoors (cattails with snowy caps on and such).
Digital has helped me get PowerPoint shows done quicker. I do camp and missions work and sometimes need to get a show put together very quickly, either for the kids to enjoy their own antics caught in time or for various presentations of our work. Waiting for photos to get printed then scanning them took a lot of time!
It's been fun reading everyone's stories!

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hmmmm subjective question to say the least
Dec 13, 2005 4:36AM PST

Well If I count the time from when I first got my camera I can say that I have 19 years of experience. If I count the time that I have actually worked on getting photos with just the right composition, lighting etc. than I would say I have 3 years experience. I started with a Kodak VR35 K12 when I was 16 which I had for a very long time until my current wife ruined it on a trip to Europe. We replaced it with another little point and shoot 35mm. I then wanted to take the step to the digital world which I did with a Canon G3 and I found trying to focus with a grainy LCD was more than difficult so about 2 years after that I have made the step to digital SLR and it has been my goal to be able to just print the picture that is on the memory card with out having to adjust or crop the image. I am getting closer to that goal but I am my worst critic.

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Monopole
Dec 13, 2005 4:39AM PST

Having been fooling around with photography for the last almost half century, I find a monopole to be my best friend. Easy to transport and steady as almost a rock. It has saved a lot of shots for me.

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40+ years
Dec 13, 2005 6:51PM PST

I bought my first SLR in 1968. Took a photography course in college in 1969. I own three 35mm cameras now with various lenses and accessories but I haven't used them since I bought my first digital 3 years ago. The only problem I have is shutter lag. I have a new Fuji c9000 on the way from NewEgg which I bought after much research and believe it has the best features for me for the money. Digital gave me a renewed interest in photography.

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(NT) More than 35.
Dec 13, 2005 4:41AM PST

Actually it's about 70. At age 11 I was developing and printing my own film.

70 years, however, doesn't make me better at it than some with 10 years of experience. But over the years it's been great fun. I like to think that that is the test rather than skill level.
Don

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Don't throw anything away - Don't delete that image!
Dec 13, 2005 4:52AM PST

80% of the Photography that I take nowadays is not as "perfect" as when I spent eons of time just to set up 1 shot.

Now, since I can put 3,000 images on my SD card, I just shoot everything and anything that catches my fancy.

Shots that are slightly off center, to dark, slightly blurred, washed out, have junk in them, are now EDITED.

Even with the most basic image editors what was a "throw-away" shot can become an impressive photo or ART.

Take a poor picture and turn it into pastels, lighten it a bit and you have a Monet or other impressionist painter. Print it on canvas and you might just have a frameable piece of art work.

Centering pictures should definitly be done with editing. There is not enough time and not enough image information in the viewfinder to worry about centering or "frameing" your photo. Do it with your editor in 3 seconds...

Out of the last 10,000 images that I have shot, I have deleted about 3 (they were just Black - I think the camera went off in my pocket...<grin&gtWink

Throw everything onto a CD. Years from now you and the Great Grandchildren will get a big kick out of those "mistakes".

Make your own history - enjoy.

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long, long, long ago....
Dec 13, 2005 5:25AM PST

--I had my first cam. That was when I was ten yrs, and I am born in 1924!! Since then I did not stop, made iot partly my main activity, when giving advice and trainig in the art of presentation. I did first maily black and white, and still love it. But even in about 1980 I got enamouirde with the possibilities of drawing and hence creating on the different varieties of 'arithmetic-machines' ha, ha that arrived on the market. Gradually evoluting in the direction of PC'c and table tops. I had about al type of camera's and used them to the full. Dark rooming only B/W. But digitalling came as a wonderful extension the old appr\oaches. Beiing 82 now, I enyoy terribly the art of creating images, whether scanned or 5aken with my --now-- NIKON D70. {I am a l0ong time lover of NIKON products, but earlier enyoed the wonderfull possibilities of e.g the Kine Exacta, and the Rollei
-- once a formost utensil to make academic prints --microscopic use etc.
In my opinion there is-- once you now the ropes of the new techniques-- not much difference in approacht to creating images--whether you are a painter, an 'old fashioned photographer' of a more new fangled camera user. And I am all three.
Many greetings. Yours,
Rien Buter.
And please: mail me to bubro@planet.nl to contact me. I have a lot of things to do, and reactions on this sight are very quickly out of sight, if you only occasionally have time to take a longer look ....

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I (almost) totally agree with you
Dec 13, 2005 5:56AM PST

"Almost", because we can easely enjoy pictures taken more than one century ago because you can see them without needing any device than your eyes but I am not sure that your "great grandchildren" will even know what a Data CD or a PC with CD reader was...
How many people are able now to listen to the original wax cylinder recordings of Edison although those are analog and not digital?
As far as I am concerned, after editing, I am throwing away about 80% of my digital pictures and more than 2/3 of my videos.

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Future is still to come, garbage is present
Dec 13, 2005 6:24AM PST

I don't agree with skipres: it is not a matter of editing with filters a badly done photo to transform it into a piece of art. It may be funny for a while, when shown to a friend, but on the long run, it's boring. I'm little over fifty years old, and I started playing with a B&W camera(may be a 6x6 agfa, I don't remember), when I was fifteen, then started playing in the dark room for almost a tenth of years, then shifted to slides because (mainly) the scarcity of time to devote to developing films and selecting and printing on paper the best shots. But if a criteria has driven my "passion", is to avoid to my beloved ones that chilling sensation of incoming deadly boredom following the announce of a 45' presentation of "nothing to say" slides from one of the don't trow anything friends of mine. It is not for the importance of the pictured one in itself: I've been uncomfortable any time I choose not to save a photo into which is captured a moment of the life of my sons, or relatives, but finally, I've been much esthetically pleased and I remember the good ones, instead of the bad ones. so, becoming critical toward you've done, is a better way to improve yourself, for what it may account for.

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Long Term Photographer
Dec 13, 2005 5:51AM PST

I was interested in photography as a High School student back in the middle 40's (Yes, they had High Schools then, but mine started in the 10th grade). It continued through college and until my daughter was born. I realized that I needed a better camera and got a Kodak SLR which handled the old 128 film, later graduating to 35 mm, and then it really grew. I became interested in portrait and wedding photography, converted my double car garage into a combination studio/darkroom and continued professionally for over 26 years. I had to have heart surgery in 2000 and my Dr. told me that wedding photography was too stressful so I retired. Now I take the photos which I like, mainly animal and wildlife (not so stressful) and do restorations and retouching via computer and Phoptoshop CS working on an Apple Mac G5 with 1G memory and all the goodies. I have just switched this year to digital photography and love it. I have found, howevcer, that there is a lot of work to be done on digital negatives as it isn't all you think it would be. I guess I'm just finicky about my work.

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31 years and still going strong
Dec 13, 2005 5:56AM PST

I started taking pictures when I was 18 (oops, just gave away my age!) and my then-boyfriend thrust his Pentax K1000 in my hands and said, take pictures of the race car! They ran pro-stock at Union Grove, Wisconsin back then. I didn't even know how to buy film (what was ASA?). But when the first prints came back and were halfway decent, I was hooked. I have to say that learning on the manual camera was the best thing that ever happened to me. I can still remember the day I was introduced to the concept of depth of field and how to control it. Very exciting to me! I would say to anyone just getting started, whether digital or film, put the camera on manual and experiment. Get a feel for the different f-stop/shutter combinations in different light conditions. You never stop learning, and in addition to being self-taught, over the years I've taken both darkroom and digital classes at our local junior college to help me understand photography better. The best part of being good at photography is that it's something I can give to my family and friends. For almost 10 years I was the official photographer at church (it ended when there was no longer a need) and I presented annual slide shows to the congregation. When my sister knew she was going to have to put down her dog of 13 years, she called me to come and take pictures of the family with their dog first. I've been the photographer at my niece's wedding, and took the last picture of my father and his siblings before he died. It can be very rewarding!

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DONE IT
Dec 13, 2005 6:58AM PST

I HAVE DONE IT ALL. I AM NOW INTO DIG. LOVE IT. NEVER A SUPER PIC. TAKER BUT ABOVE AVERAGE. I THINK IT IS A MUST FOR MOST PEOPLE. LOVE TO LOOK BACK. THAN I LOVE TODAY. SNAP IT. YOU WILL LOVE IT.

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Long time photographer
Dec 13, 2005 8:33AM PST

I started in high school and then after being in the military I took are home corrospondance photographer course. After completing it I did wedding and portrite photographer and also fire scene photographer at the vol. fire dept. I belonged to.

Total time with 35mm and also medium format film approx. 20 years. This year approx. 4 months ago I bought my fist digital camera a Kodak DX7590 and am having a lot of fun with it.

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6 yr. digital photographer
Dec 13, 2005 9:48AM PST

Since starting 6 years ago, I've learned to try to compose my pics before taking them. This has led to less need for editing my pics. Robert Meute

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I didn't know that!
Dec 13, 2005 10:29AM PST

I was assuming *digital photography only* which made me a ''newbie'' but I have - informally, not professionally - taken some better-than-average shots at different times - even with a thing so primative as a Polaroid 660!
My would-be submission to a pro group has a blank spot on the right side because the ''pro photo shop'' sold me the wrong film! I had everything just right and the print would have been an A#1 eye-catcher if not for the film screw up. I was 17 when I took it and have it to this very day as proof of what can be done even with *sub-standard* equipment.

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It's an exciting time to be a photographer.
Dec 13, 2005 10:29AM PST

The potential for good photography is greater than it ever has been before. When I had a commercial photo business years ago an image might have several iterations between the lab and I, and a point of deminishing returns was reached. It was always a clear compromise.
Today I can tweak the photo WAY past that point, if I care to. The amount of control I have as a creative photographer is nearly total, or 100%. It's a whole new world, and the amount of learning and the degree of technical skills is higher than ever before, but, nevertheless, it's an exciting time to be a photographer.

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Long- time photographer loves digital
Dec 13, 2005 11:10AM PST

I took my first a photography class while in junior high school, probably in 1956, and I?ve been hooked ever since.
While in the Army (air cavalry) I carried two 35 mm cameras almost everywhere I went. Since I was in Europe, and traveled quite a bit, there were a lot of interesting subjects.
Digital photography is the answer to a vague wish that I had for many years, of being able to take many photos inexpensively, to have good control of how the pictures are processed and to print my own pictures. The ability to store and classify what I?ve taken, simplifies my personal collection. Hopefully the storage medium will not degrade over time, and my children and their children will be able to access my photographs.
I have had four digital cameras, and find that you get a great deal more for your money now than you did just nine years ago. I have given up my 35 mm cameras; digital is that good. The ability to share photographs and to send them anywhere in the world almost instantly, and at no cost is terrific.
I never want to go back to film, and wonder what the future will bring to this art.

Stuart

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photo experience; 50 years+
Dec 13, 2005 12:26PM PST

I started dabbling in black& white photography about 1940 when an uncle gave me a 4 x 5 inch view camera outfit. It was pretty much on its last legs - leather bellows cracked and peeling - but I managed to get a few murky prints from it. Prior to this, I had used Kodak Brownies for miscellaneous photos. Then, around 1950, I took the plunge and bought an Argus C-3 35mm camera and started making color slides. After a while, I got an Argus C-4 35mm and used it for a long time, still mainly for color slides. After being drafted into the Army in 1954, I was sent to a photolithography school, which included working with 4 x 5 inch Speed Graphics and process cameras up to 20 x 24 inch film size. This was my first experience working in a darkroom - developing, printing and enlarging B&W film. While in the service, I picked up a Rollei twin-lens reflex camera, 120 rollfilm size. Upon completion of military service, I went to college and got a degree in mechanical engineering. At this time, I was too busy to do much with photography, except color slides. I was given a 16mm motion picture camera with 3 lenses. This got me involved with motion picture taking and editing. By 1968, I had decided that the fixed lens 35mm camera was too limiting, so I bought a Zeiss Contarex 35mm camera with a 50mm & a 135mm lens. This was a window into serious 35mm photography. i wound up with lenses from 18mm to 500mm focal length. I used the Contarex for business photography, taking photos of various projects that I was involved with. This turned out to be a lucrative side business, supplying 8 x 10 color prints for my clients, which continued for almost 10 years. I then bought a Canon F1 35mm camera with several zoom lenses for my personal use. By this time, my eyesight started to deteriorate, so I decided to get an auto-focus camera, a Minolta 700si with 2 zoom lenses, a 28-70 f2.8 & an 18-35mm f4.5, which I still have. A couple of years ago, I got into digital photography with a point-and-shoot pocket camera. It turns out that his camera is the main one that I use - mostly for casual photography. I also have done altering the images and printing them using a PC. Right now, I feel limited by the 28 to 110mm focal length zoom on this camera, but I don't want to get a bigger camera. The pocket camera can go with you and is ready to use - probably wouldn't have a bigger, more versatile camera with me.

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40+ years but 37 with SLR
Dec 13, 2005 6:52PM PST

I bought my first SLR in 1968. Took a photography course in college in 1969. I own three 35mm cameras now with various lenses and accessories but I haven't used them since I bought my first digital 3 years ago. The only problem I have is shutter lag. I have a new Fuji c9000 on the way from NewEgg which I bought after much research and believe it has the best features for me for the money. Digital gave me a renewed interest in photography.

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Many years (too many to count)
Dec 13, 2005 10:16PM PST

I started with a 4x5 learning photography the hard way, trial, develop, print, and see the errors. And there were a lot of them. Through the years I have progressed through 4x5, 120/620, 35mm to digital. Now, while taking the picture has been made easier it is still is the eye and mind of the photographer to make the moment into a memorable photo.

Someone said the public judges your picture. While that is true it really is the photographer whose is the most critical judge of each individual shot. I have taken shots that I feel do not represent what I want and shots that surprise me for their technical content and perfection, mostly by accident. I guess I feel when you are happy with the shot, it is a great shot.

Last, do as much of the composition and technical expertise on the orignal shot. Use the tools of the computer for touchup, if necessary. Again, the eye and brain are the best tools you can have.

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Almost 60 years.
Dec 14, 2005 4:04AM PST

Started by borrowing the family Kodak box camera.
Purchased my own camera about the time that I entered high school. Don't remember the name of the camera, but it folded and had bellows.

Got my first real camera about 6 months after getting out of high school. It was a Kodak Reflex II, a twin lens reflex camera, that used 120 and 620 film. Color photos came into common use about that time, but the prints were too expensive for my budget.

That camera had a flash attachment that used flash bulbs. Probably, not too many of the people that visit this forum has ever used flash bulbs.

Later I bought an adapter for my Kodak Reflex II, that let me use 828 film. About the size of 35mm but had a square image. I used the adapter for making color slides.

That camera accompanied me for 2 years in the Army. I was stationed in Fort Sill, Oklahoma where they had a photography hobby shop. I learned to develop film and use an enlarger at that hobby shop. And made a few bucks taking portraits of fellow soldiers.

Several years later, Canon came out with their first cameras with electronics. I purchased the Canon AE1, a SLR 35mm film camera. That camera served me well for many years. It has been to about 20 states in the USA, Hawaii, Canada, Mexico, and Brazil. Most of the shots were color slides.

When the digital cameras came out, I bought a reconditioned 1 megapixel Epson camera with no LCD.
Digital cameras were very expensive at that time.

It was easy to see that digital cameras and computers were the future.

I spent about a year turning all of my 35mm slides into digital format, using a Hewlett Packard slide scanner.

Now my 35mm slide projector has gone into mothballs as my old 35mm slides are now slideshows on DVD.

Can't wait to see what is coming down the digital pike in the future.

Joe Randolph

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