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How many anti's.??

by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 4:44 AM PDT

As usual I'll state:I'm not a newbie,but this subject is new to ME.First,my system:Windows XP Home SP2
Dimension 4600
Intel Pentium 4 Processor
512 MB RAM
64MB GE FORCE 4MX Graphics Card
120 GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive 7200RPM
Intel Pro 100M Integrated PC/NIC Card
16X DVD-Rom Drive
NOW,The Question:
I used McAfee for about 4 years and it worked great,but in the last couple weeks,the new(2008) version has given me problems.Every few days it would have an Icon in my tray stating:You Are NOT Protected.Well,I've seen that over the years,but this version(installed a few weeks ago) is different.When I clicked on the icon,the page shows up with a button saying:Fix It Now.In the past it would fix it and be done.The last few times with this version,it would still be Unprotected after pushing said button.SO,I uninstalled and re-installed twice.Fine until a few days later,then same warning.SO,I uninstalled it for good today.I installed AVG Antivirus,free version.My question is:should I also install AdAware 2007 and Commodo firewall or anything else,or just let it go with the AVG Antivirus.I know this has been asked before,but I don't recall the answer.Sorry for such a Loooong question,but how much is TOO MUCH.??(eg;actual runtime and such).Thanks in advance.Chucker.

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Maybe ...
by Kees Bakker / April 25, 2008 4:53 AM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

McAfee was right with the message?

In http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/showthread.php?t=216587 I read that (at least in the 2007 version) it showed in the right pane what exactly the problem was, so you could fix it yourself. Did they replace it in the 2008 version with non-working "let me fix it for you"? That's bad.

Anyway, are you sure you're being protected without knowing why McAfee thought otherwise?

Kees

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????
by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 5:28 AM PDT
In reply to: Maybe ...

The past 4 versions,that particular warning only showed up sparingly,and always corrected the problem.With this version,it would not.It has a "Virtual Repair",which I went to,but did what it told me to,and then a couple days later,same warning.What about the number of Antiviruses I should install.??Is the AVG enough or should I install more freebies(ie:AdAware and more),or is that enough.Just don't want to be UNprotected for any length of time.!!Thanks for response.(As far as the McAfee,it's taking up Waaaay too much time).Can't figure out it's problem.I hear TERRIBLE things about Norton,so I don't want to go there.

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???
by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 6:06 AM PDT
In reply to: ????

Sorry to repost so soon,but I really need to know if AVG is enough alone,or if I should install other freebies to accompany the AVG.??Thanks in advance(again).

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Re: what more.
by Kees Bakker / April 25, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
In reply to: ???

AVG is antivirus (versie 8.0 claims to be anti-spyware also, and it's big enough - 46 Mb - to be credible). But it's not a firewall.

If you've got broadband connection and are behind a router there's and have the Windows XP firewall activated that's enough to protect you against unwanted visitors. But you need another firewall (like Zonealarm or Comodo) to keep an eye on (potentially unwanted) outgoing traffic. That's up to you. Personally, I like Zonealarms red and green bars flickering in the system tray when there's Internet access.

And it wouldn't harm to install Spybot S&D as an additional defense against spyware.

Kees

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OK,then...
by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: what more.

I hear ya,and thank you.Sorry to be so much trouble,but,you are saying it IS ok to run these extras you speak of at the same time as AVG.??(I hear so much about conflict of multiple anti's,because some run in "real time").What do ya think,Kees.??Thanks again for all your time,sir.

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sorry again,but...
by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 8:26 AM PDT
In reply to: OK,then...

Sorry to keep re-posting before you get a chance to answer(computer impatience).BUT,I really want to be clear on YOUR recommendations.If I purchase ZoneAlarm AND d/l SpybotS&D,would I then UNinstall the AVG and go with the 2 mentioned OR....???

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Re: what to do.
by Kees Bakker / April 26, 2008 5:54 AM PDT
In reply to: sorry again,but...

The combination of free AVG antivirus, free Zonealarm firewall (no need to pay for antivirus part, the firewall is free) and free Spybot S&D and Windows defender is OK.

Kees

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AVG
by draggo1 / May 3, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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Hi...I just went from here to hell with infected computer ...after spending bit of time shoping for a good antivirus I came accros AVG free but when I had a good look what protection is giving you...is not much...If you pay for one it will give you whole lot more...and free one it's just not enough now days.I payed for one and it found whole lot of **** thet the free one didn't.
Good luck
Dave

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You need
by glb613 / April 25, 2008 8:34 AM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

1 anti-virus
1 firewall
2 or more anti-spyware programs

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(NT) Thanks,glb613..!
by chucker111 / April 25, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
In reply to: You need
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Thanks.!!
by chucker111 / April 26, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
In reply to: Thanks,glb613..!

Sorry,in my haste,I forgot to thank you very much for your help,Kees.!! I think I may be in decent shape NOW.Thanks again,chucker.

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Re: You need
by 3rdalbum / May 2, 2008 8:04 PM PDT
In reply to: You need

You need:

1. Firewall that blocks incoming connections only
2. to be careful about what you download and what sites you visit.

That's it. Why slow down your computer with anti-virus, anti-spyware and multiple firewalls, when you can just avoid downloading anything bad in the first place? The only computer security otherwise that you need is a firewall - if you've got broadband, you more than likely have a perfectly good firewall built into your modem. A firewall prevents crackers from connecting to programs running on your computer; any good operating system should come with all ports closed by default anyway, but Windows has programs that listen on various ports, so you need that firewall.

But just one firewall. And only one that will block incoming connections. After all, if nothing bad gets in, nothing bad will transmit out, so there's no need for stopping outgoing connections.

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Drive-by downloads
by santuccie / May 8, 2008 3:18 AM PDT
In reply to: Re: You need

'Why slow down your computer with anti-virus, anti-spyware and multiple firewalls, when you can just avoid downloading anything bad in the first place?'
>>Standard Web safety practices still work if you use Linux, Mac OS-X, BSD, Solaris, and such; but not for Windows. Legitimate Web sites all over the Internet are being infected in cross-site scripting attacks, and will infect the computers of unprotected and unsuspecting visitors. Remember this?

That having been said, I myself surf the Web on XP SP3 without antimalware, but I also lock the kernel to prevent parasites from accessing the API and launching. I also download software only from known legitimate Web sites, and scan e-mail attachments at VirusTotal (I read chain e-mails, but I don't forward them).

Disabling write-access to the system32 folder is all you really need to do, but you can also block browser hijackers (usually only found on inappropriate sites) and adware with Arovax Shield. For step-by-step instructions, visit Invincible Windows. Hope this helps!

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Too many antivirus
by famulla / May 2, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

It is like too many receipes confuses the cooks
Use only one antivirus, and stick to that . You will be happy. Remember that goes for your doctor, lawyer and accountant, only one they know you well.
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla MBA PhD
P.O.Box 6044
Dar-Es-Salaam
Tanzania
East Africa

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Suggested Maintenance Program.
by tallin / May 2, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

I will post here my suggested Maintenance Program I use for all my computers and you can be the judge on what if any you decide to take on board.

Definitions of all installations must be kept up to date at least weekly if not daily.

Please follow the advice given here to avoid having your computer attacked by Malware and in turn to avoid asking for volunteer expert help to analyse your logs.

Firstly you need a Fire alarm
Zone Alarm Free. http://filehippo.com/download_zonealarm_free/

Download and install the following program:

One Antivirus software program only as more than one will conflict.

Avast Free. http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

Malwarebytes? Anti-Malware is a full-blown anti-malware program
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Mal...i-Malware.shtml

Online Free Malware scan cleaning utility

http://www.johannrain-softwareentwicklung....r-8-English.htm

Several Antispyware programs run manually, randomly, and not loaded at Startup.

Superspyware Free Edition http://www.superantispyware.com/
Spyware blaster http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
Spyware Search and Destroy http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popu...h-Destroy.shtml
CW Shredder http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract/cwshr...r_download.html
A_squared free http://www.brothersoft.com/downloads/a_squared.html

Temporary Internet File Cleaners and other Cleanup Utilities

Cleanup 4.5.2 http://www.stevengould.org/index.php?optio...8&Itemid=70
CCleaner http://filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
ATF Cleaner by Atribune http://www.atribune.org/content/view/19/2/

Also go to start>settings>accessories>systemtools>diskcleanup and follow the prompts.

Defragging Utilities

Defragmenter Analyser . http://www.raxco.com/analyze/

Use the Windows default defragmenter program this way: start>allprograms>accessories>systemtools>defragmenter.

OR

IObit Smart Defragmenter http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=5318
Auslogics degragmenter Free http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag/download

Malwarebytes? Anti-Malware is a full-blown anti-malware program

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Mal...i-Malware.shtml

?Scan? for Adware, Spyware and all Malware DAILY
?Clean your ?Temporary Internet files? and ?History list? every 3 Days
?Clear your ?SSL state 'every 3 Days
?Clear your ?Java files? in your Java console every 3 Days
?Empty the ?Recycle bin? every 3 Days
?Defrag? your hard Drive every 5 Days. (I actually analyse mine and only defrag when necessary)
?Scan? for Viruses and Trojans every 4 Days
?Degauss? your monitor by turning it off completely and back on, every 5 days
?Completely turn off? your machine every 5 Days. This is different than re-starting
~~When you re-start, it does not shut down 100%~~

Now I suggest you open ?control panel? and then ?Internet options.? With the 'internet options' open, you will
see the general tab. Next click on the ?content? tab. You will see ?clear SSL state.?
This normally is performed automatically but I have come across old data left in here.
While you are here, you should clean the ?auto complete? as well. There is a lot of data stored here that can breach your security and privacy.
It is best to uncheck all three boxes and never use this feature, however if you like this feature, keep it.
To just clean the stored data, click the ?auto complete? button and then the ?clean passwords? and then OK
and then the ?clear forms? and then OK. It will wipe all of the stored information.

Now let?s move on to the Java files. Open ?control panel>settings and find ?java plug-in" and click
on temporary internet files>settings>delete files>enable Applications and Applets, and Trace and Log file> okay.

Now while we have it opened, let?s adjust the size from ?unlimited? down to ?maximum 4 mb? and you
will be ready to go.

Another item that seems to get overlooked on today?s maintenance routine is the ?C:\windows\temp? folder.
You should delete everything that is in this folder, BUT not the folder itself. If you have never done this,
it will have a ton of stuff in it.

So run your disk cleanup, defrag, delete cookies etc often. There are other variations of these utilities
available although I have yet to find a problem with the ones that Windows provides.

To flush DNS cache click start, run, type cmd, and type ipconfig /flushdns and press enter.
(Note the space between the g /)
DNS = Domain Name Server, the cache referred to is where Windows stores all IP addresses it
collects as you surf typing the IP to the domain name to surf to, this cache can grow large over
a period of time causing a slowdown on your computer surfing and interaction.

I hope the above is of some help and if followed particularly by new members could alleviate the
necessity of posting a HJT log.

This may look daunting when first read, but really it takes no time at all to execute once all is installed.

I hope my suggestions are helpful to you.

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More than one anti-malware or anti-virus is commonly advised
by Michael Tsark / May 2, 2008 6:27 PM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

Thank you for asking. In answer to your question, consensus generally advises running more than one anti-malware or anti-virus program since no single anti-malware or anti-virus database by itself can suffice in catching all of the various malwares out there and I've found this to be true in my own pc experiences when one or two or more softwares failed to detect/find a virus or worm whereas another software did, and I'm not talking about false-positives. As for how many to install and run is up to you and depends upon whether or not certain programs and/or amount of programs slows down your computer to your dissatisfaction.

As for a firewall freeware, Comodo Freeware is often highly recommended.

As for anti-malware freeware, Adaware and Spybot is the norm but only the paid versions offer realtime protection therefore I run Comodo BOClean, Hazard Shield, SpyCatcher Express, and Windows Defender for their realtime protection. I used to use SpywareBlaster with realtime protection for a long time until eventually there was an unknown software conflict and so I had decided to disable it and I still haven't yet tried any of the newer versions to see if the conflict problem had gotten fixed. The same makers of SpywareBlaster also makes SpywareGuard with realtime protection but I haven't tested it yet. CyberHawk used to work particularly well too at stopping malware in its tracks but unfortunately CyberHawk itself would slowly and increasingly eat up my CPU and slow things down after my computer with 736MB RAM had been running for awhile and so I had reluctantly un-installed it. It may or may not present the same CyberHawk problem for others who have more ample RAM?

As for anti-virus freeware, I tried all or at least nearly all of the popular ones and prefer Avast because I find it more user-friendly and it eats up less CPU than the others did. If there's a noticeable slow-down which persists after I've done maintenance procedures and after using the above mentioned programs to search out the malware to no avail then I also scan with SuperAntiSpyware and a-Square. All of these mentioned has thus far sufficed in finding the culprit(s) and returning my computer up to speed without my needing to resort to further online scanning, however, of course the more different scans that are performed then the greater the chances of catching malware that may not have been detected by the other malware scans.

Lastly, whether you prefer paid versions versus freeware is a matter of personal choice. All the debates I've read on it suggests that freeware mostly works just as equally well or at the very least nearly equally as well as the paid versions do in stopping malware. For some folks it would seem more of having a peace-of-mind by having the paid versions but as for me I would feel like I'm paying for extra features that I don't really need nor care about as my main concern is that it stops the malware, period.

Avoiding malware in the first place can be especially prevented by surfing the Internet as a User with Restricted Privileges since hackers of course prefer to search for online Users with Administrative Privileges. A noteworthy program that strips away a User's Administrator Rights whenever going on the web without the need of reconfiguring the computer nor having any need to switch User Accounts is called DropMyRights.

Comodo Firewall Pro Free v3.0:
http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/index.html
http://www.comodo.com/products/free_products.html

Comodo BOClean anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html
http://www.comodo.com/products/free_products.html

SpyCatcher Express v4.5.2 build 51 anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.download.com/SpyCatcher-Express-2007/3000-8022_4-10436704.html?tag=lst-1&cdlPid=10759031
http://www.tenebril.com/downloads/

Hazard Shield v1.8.0.0 anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.orbitech.org/hazardshield.html

Windows Defender v1.1.1593 anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.filehippo.com/download_microsoft_antispyware/
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=435BFCE7-DA2B-4A6A-AFA4-F7F14E605A0D&displaylang=en

SpywareBlaster v4.0 anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/products.html

SpywareGuard v2.2 anti-malware with realtime protection:
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sgdownload.html
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/products.html

Ad-Aware 2007 Free anti-malware:
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

Spybot v1.5.2 anti-malware:
http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022_4-10122137.html
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/mirrors/index.html
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/langtable/sbsd.html#53

Avast Home Edition V4.8.1169 anti-virus with realtime protection:
http://www.download.com/Avast-Home-Edition/3000-2239_4-10019223.html?tag=lst-1&cdlPid=10825540

DropMyRights.msi freeware can be downloaded from:
http://www.download.com/DropMyRights/3000-2144_4-10722877.html?tag=pdp_prod

After downloading and saving DropMyRights.msi into your DOWNLOADS folder, RIGHT-CLICK on the downloaded .msi file and select ?Install? and follow the Wizard instructions which will most likely install it into Local Disk (C):\Program Files\DropMyRights.

HOW TO USE DropMyRights.exe (DMR):

Here's the simple 3-steps instructions on how to use DMR. The object is to create a shortcut of DropMyRights.exe (DMR) and then use the target path of the DMR Shortcut to insert it in front of the target path of a Browser Shortcut or of any other program shortcut for that matter, that happens to connect to the Internet.

1) Go to C:/Program Files/DropMyRights/DropMyRights.exe and CREATE A SHORTCUT of DropMyRights.exe and keep the DMR Shortcut within the same folder as DropMyRights.exe and then right-click on the DMR Shortcut and select ?Properties? to open up the DMR Shortcut Properties Box.

2) Copy the info that's in the Target Path box of the DMR Shortcut INCLUDING the quotation marks which should look like this:
"C:\Program Files\DropMyRights\DropMyRights.exe"

3) Next step is to either create or go to a shortcut of the browser you prefer using, for example, such as a FireFox Shortcut. Right-click on the FireFox Shortcut to select and open up the FireFox Shortcut Properties Box. Find the FireFox Shortcut Target Path box and paste in the target path of the DMR Shortcut just in front of the FireFox Target Path while MAKING SURE TO INCLUDE A SPACE BETWEEN BOTH PATHS and it should now look like this while KEEPING all quotation marks:
"C:\Program Files\DropMyRights\DropMyRights.exe" "C:\Program Files\Firefox\firefox.exe"

The next step is optional if you wish to choose an icon for the new browser shortcut or else the new browser shortcut will now automatically use a generic icon. Use the new browser shortcut to surf the web so hackers will think you don't have Administrative Privileges and they'll naturally go looking for other Users who have Administrative Rights instead of Restricted Privileges. On very rare occasions I had to resort to using a browser without DropMyRights in order to obtain a download but as I said it only happened extremely rarely.

Thanks again for your question. Tsark out.

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ps. Only one firewall at a time is advised...

Only one firewall at time is advise or else there's most likely to be software conflict if more than one firewall is running.

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No point to two firewalls
by 3rdalbum / May 3, 2008 7:27 PM PDT

Besides that, it's completely useless to have two firewalls in between you and the internet. The only time you should have two firewalls is if you have one built-in to your router and one installed on your computer, and you don't trust the traffic coming across your own network (extremely unlikely).

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Correction: Spybot does offer degree of realtime protection.

I aplogize for my mistake, but Spybot freeware does offer a degree of realtime protection when running by way of its "Immunize", ?Resident SDHelper? (Internet Explorer bad download blocker), and ?Resident Tea Timer? (Protection of over-all system settings) features but also uses up more Virtual Memory.

And as for CyberHawk, it increasingly ate up my Virtual Memory which slowed things down rather than eathing up the CPU.

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recommendations for anti programs

We recommend Avast firewall, Ccleaner, Sygate firewall( controls both incoming and outgoing), Advanced Windows Care V2, personal: One each and all are free. have had NO problems whatsoever(keeping fingers crossed, lol) Happy computing!

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regarding how many aniti?
by mstudent / May 2, 2008 8:07 PM PDT
In reply to: How many anti's.??

I have also got avg, plus two others' as I have found that one anti virus system does not always cover all potential problems found on the internet so have also got spy terminate which I have found is quite good plus a tequer that also does a scan once a week in the hopes that it will catch anything the other two do not. i depends on what you prefer, and how much you use your system and what you go into on the internet, to how many you have and what types you go for.

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Try Avast Anti Virus.
by ishan.sharma001 / May 3, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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Try Avast Anti Virus from Avast.com. It is the fastest antivirus around. The updates are small(200-500KB) and usually are downloaded each time you connect. It is completely free for home use. I have been using it for 3 years and remained safe. Be sure to uninstall previous anti-virus to avoid conflicts.
As far as Comodo Firewall is concerned, install it right now.

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WOW
by chucker111 / May 4, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
In reply to: Try Avast Anti Virus.

Wow,this topic has become quite popular,which makes me happy that I asked the original question.The reason being,the hope that MANY users can benefit from the opinions of all the contributors who have given their advice freely and given MANY points of really GREAT advice.I personally would like to thank everyone that has contributed an opinion on this matter.The more ,the Better.I also hope that MANY users take heed to the valuable advice that has been given by (too many to name),ALL the posters.Thanks so much.Pay attention newbies,there is a LOT of useful information in this very thread.Members of this forum are THE BEST.Thanks again,EVERYONE,and if you think of anything else,please continue to contribute.NEVER get enough GOOD advice,Trust me.BTW:I kinda took Kees' advice,and everything is running smoother than in a long time.I have the Windows Defender(which is automatic with IE7).I installed AVG free anti virus,and ZoneAlarm Firewall (free).I totally uninstalled the paid security suite I had used for 5 years(McAfee)and went with what I just mentioned and NOTHING else,And for me so far it has doubled my D/L speed ,and almost doubled my upload speed.SO,whatever works for ya,try different combos.Good Luck All,and thanks again.Chucker.

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Kaspersky Internet security
by vladholy75 / May 4, 2008 7:33 AM PDT
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Kaspersky Internet security 2007 is the best solution of your problem as it has all the necessary features to protect your computer completely.
I have already used practically all antiviruses and firewalls and no one makes better protection than this rogram.

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Great for U.
by chucker111 / May 4, 2008 9:07 AM PDT

I'm personaly very glad to hear that Kapersky is working so well for you.Personaly,I've read a ton of posts on this site and others that trash that particular program.I always hear:oh,no wonder,you're using Kapersky,they cause problems,AND are VERY hard to UNinstall if you don't like them.SO,that kinda made me shy away from them.But,if it's working for YOU,that's Fantastic.You know,it seems like different computers work well with different programs.Like I stated previously,McAfee worked great for me for 5 years(I thought I would never need to change),but the last version I paid for and installed kept telling me I was UNprotected,and couldn't give me a cure to fix the problem(which it had done previously).SO,good for you.That's another alternative for someone out there looking for a good program,if it works for them.It's just funny how some programs work GREAT for some users,but terribly for others.Wish you continued great usage with Kapersky,and for anyone else that it works for.Thanks for your opinion and contribution to this discussion.Much Appreciated.Chucker.

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Just go here
by TheManInDboX / May 8, 2008 3:50 AM PDT
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THX
by chucker111 / May 11, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
In reply to: Just go here

Thanks for the link,Man.Very informative.We can use all the info. we can get.Thanks again,friend.!!.Chucker.

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