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How feasible is it to use XP after Microsoft stops support?

Jun 7, 2013 9:10AM PDT
Question:

How feasible is it to use Windows XP after Microsoft stops supporting it?


After reading the sad news that Windows XP support is going to be discontinued by Microsoft, I'm wondering how feasible would it be for me to continue using Windows XP after the support ends? If I have a firewall and antivirus and antispyware software that's not made by Microsoft, should I be worried about my security using XP given that I won't be getting any more XP security updates and patches? Are there any other concerns I should be thinking about besides security? I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering about this. Please advise. Thanks.

-- Submitted by: John T.

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Not what I was adressing
Jun 20, 2013 9:39PM PDT

I was actually talking about third party software, not Windows security updates. While it would be nice if Microsoft passed the torch to another company willing to keep releasing updates, I don't ever expect that to happen. I meant that as long as companies keep writing software that is XP compatible, including security software, then that is all that really matters. In my opinion, when the security software can take care of/block the virus/intruder trying to exploit the hole, then fixing the hole is not really that critical.

Loss of updates is a non-issue to me. I've already been living without security updates anyways, call it a field test, lol. I got tired of slowing my PC down with updates after a fresh install, so I just stopped at whatever update I last slipstreamed into my install disc. Since I haven't messed with slipstreaming in a while, that means I haven't installed any updates since SP3 in x86, or SP2 in x64. I keep my anti-virus/malware/spyware up to date though. So even with all of these well known exploits, I have only gotten the occasional trojan, which gets zapped pretty quickly.

To really blow your mind, I also still use the "worst, most loathed browser that ever existed", IE6! I'm using it right now in fact, with the Google ChromeFrame Addon that lets all of this new garbage work within IE6, lol. I hate the new browsers just as much as the new OSs. Give me the nice clean, classic GUI interface that I have used since Windows 95, or too bad, I won't ever upgrade! Years down the line, I may just stop using the internet altogether if I can't even get on with what I have.

Finally, the comparison with a car can really only go so far, but I would liken the Windows updates to a car manufacturer warranty. Once you pass that 100,000 miles, you are on your own to fix, or live with any defects that pop up afterwards.

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Arg
Jun 20, 2013 9:52PM PDT

Blasted no edit function...that should have been "classic GUI", not "classic GUI interface". Interface, interface, oh-oh, interface, lol.

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Why beat a dead horse (WinXP)?
Jun 14, 2013 6:32PM PDT

Its in with the new, out with the old. The Diehards will suffer, new IT innovations are the Norm. Get your wallet out. Why beat a dead horse (WinXP). Diehards do your self a favorite & use the K.I.S.S principal. (keep it simple Stupid).

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K.I.S.S.
Jun 15, 2013 1:00AM PDT

Funny you mention K.I.S.S., as it is the very motto that I say applies well to XP and not at all to Vista/7/8! No one should toss out the old, simply because it's old. But sadly, many of the newer generations think this way and it especially shows in our treatment of the elderly.

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USE SEVEN!
Jun 14, 2013 6:43PM PDT

I can't understand the unwillingness to use Windows 7. To my mind it's better in every way than XP, which, by the way I really liked!!
Win 7 loads quicker (though that might be because I use a faster processor, I do realize), it handles problems and incompatibility NO worse, so why bother to keep XP?
I believe that 7 is better. It's that simple.

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re: unwillingness to use Windows 7
Jun 15, 2013 1:09AM PDT

I do not see this as an unwillingness to USE anything, including Win 7. It is an unwillingness to PAY to use (and learn) something new when the OS we have is working just fine for us. I'll go out on a limb here and say that few of us in this forum care much for Microsoft's constant attempts to separate us from our money. I do have a Win7 computer for multimedia software that requires the advanced features, but most of my valuable (to me) old software runs just fine on XP boxes -- and that is not going to change. That said, more of my computers would get upgraded if the OS license was for a user and not for each individual computer. Paying once for Win7 was more than enough. WinXP will continue to live on where it is still working just fine.

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Unwillingness....?
Jun 18, 2013 12:44PM PDT

Let me count the ways. Just count all the functions that used to be placed in submenus that have been arbitrarily moved elsewhere. Soooo many functions in Win7 are moved from menus that we have come to know practically blind at this point and now they are gone....not to improve functionality, but just because in someone's mind they thought it was more logical to THEM to change the location. I am reluctant to spend time relearning where I need to click to get what I want. You pull down a menu in W7 and the function simply is no longer there. Why? For what reason? How is that thinking of the customer? How does that help me?

It seems to me that they said, hey, we are making these jokers pay for a new product, we'd better make it FEEL like we changed it. My guess is there are plenty of thing below the surface that fix vulnerabilities and such that the User doesn't see and doen't need to, but the DO improve aspects of the OS. Tell me what they are and I'll believe it; they don't need to mess with the superficial stuff just so we will believe we are actually paying for something new. There is nothing more frustrating that opening Control Panel to look for what has been there for the last 10 years and now it's gone and you have to hunt around for a half hour trying to find where some MS programmer on crack decided to hide it somewhere else.

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yes it is
Jun 14, 2013 9:11PM PDT

As i have to support under contract systems running dos win 95 and win 98 as well as all the other flavors up to win 8,
i can tell you that yes it is perfectly feasable to run xp without MS support.
if the system has a specfic job to do and is not online then you will have no problems at all.
security updates and patches are only an issue with an online pc and that is a judgment call for you to make.
but a business pc not online doing for example payroll will be fine for years to come, no panic

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Finally, a sensible answer!
Jun 14, 2013 10:32PM PDT

It ain't broke. For all of you who say that 7 or 8 is the way to go for "security", that's crap. Sure, the last "upgrade" I did to Vista really fixed my system and the security used in Vista was continued into 7 and 8.
My software, from an extinct company, won't run on Vista or higher, so I'm locked into XP for as long as I have to support the software that runs on XP. I have moved away from Internet Exploder as a browser and am using a good antivirus and antispam program, but I expect to continue using XP and on the internet for several more years.

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RE: XP - Install UBUNTU
Jun 15, 2013 1:34AM PDT

One solution to the demise of XP is to install UBUNTU. It works with most of MS files and has all the free services most people will ever want. Surely if it's security that worries XP users then come off the net and use UBUNTU instead. It can be dual booted with another OS (XP) and is friendly & intuitive.
BTW is it likely that MS will make XP open source or that someone will take it on and manintain it? I see some dollars here don't I?

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Open source? No
Jun 15, 2013 5:19AM PDT

I do not see any possibility of making any Microsoft product open source. Since the software is entirely proprietary, we can assume that there will not be any possibility of someone else being able to take over maintenance, either.

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How feasible is it to use XP after Microsoft stops support?
Jun 15, 2013 2:41AM PDT

Hi, I have chosen to keep Windows XP on my original hard drive and use it for everything except the internet as many of my programs will not work in Windows 7.

To access the internet, I have installed a second hard drive and installed Windows 7 on to it from where I can access the internet, send emails etc. as usual. I have then set up my PC as a dual-boot system using Easy BCD which means that when I boot up I see a screen listing both Windows 7 on one drive and Windows XP on the second drive, and simply click on whichever OS I want to use at that time. Whilst I can still access the XP drive, some programs and files won't open unless the corresponding software is available on the Windows 7 drive. This set up gives me the flexibility to continue using my XP programs and files without having to worry about virus issues etc. as I no longer use XP to access the internet.

Just a suggestion, and like myself, you don't need to be an expert to set up this configuration. All of the helpful information I needed was sourced online.

Regards.

Clive Read (UK)

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bye bye love, bye bye XP
Jun 15, 2013 3:15AM PDT

Maybe I'll be out to pasture by the time XP goes bye bye, obviously I will not care then.

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As long as you want
Jun 15, 2013 3:27AM PDT

John,

Fact is that a system does NOT stop working, when it goes out of "support".

Think of computer support, like car repairs.

Even if you buy a car in used condition, you can get parts, as long as their are cars on the road.

After that, you CAn PAY more, for specialty orders, but the price may exceed what you want to pay.

With your computer, especially for things like Word Processor, Paint Brush, video and audio,
XP will NOT stop working, just because a new system comes out.

Example: I used Windows 95 for YEARS, after 2000, NT, and so on, came out.

Your home computer will NOT stop working, just becaue there is no "support".

All that "support" means is that, if something goes wrong, there wont be anyone to help you fix it, at the makers
web-site.

Sure, some really advanced web-sites will not let you in, without advanced software, but you should ask yourself if
you really WANT to access such sites.

As long as you have your Operating System discs, your machine will function, for as long as you want.

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Well, look at the OS research of facts
Jun 15, 2013 11:16PM PDT

Example Window 95 is history, it will no work on computers running XP and beyond.Computers as do WinXp, Vista & earlier OS have a projected life cycle, in this case 10 years. After that it will be obolete, mainly, because its in with the new techology phrase, and non- support for the old, its a money making venture & use of resources to kept all working.Manufacturers could careless if XP goes. Old or upgrading programs does not yeld a profit, they are in this business to selling the new Innovations. As early as 2011 I encountered problems with XP, not supporting new programs, thats was a hint......As good as it was I ditched it. Fact the original OS configuration of XP in 2003 is different from XP 2013, it is a newer OS., with 10 years of updates, upgrades, re-configuration with SP 1, 2, 3, and each became a new system. Your original disc won't work, because upon re-installed you must update, with all the updates-recongirations. In April 2014 thats stops! Catch my drift?

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What next in Operating S ystems, what choice will you make.
Jun 15, 2013 3:38AM PDT

Ironically I have the time & luxury of experimenting with WinXP Home- Pro, Vista-Business & 7-Utimate, on 1 Dell Latitude D620 Notebook Win7 Ultimate (CPU Duo 1.Cool, looking to upgrade CPU Duo to 2.7. One Dell Optiplex 745 CPU Duo 3.4 Win7 Ultimate, & one Dell Optiplex 760 WinVista Business CPU Celeron D 2.0, looking to upgrade to Celeron D 2.8. I have installion disc for each Windows Operating system. Courtesy dfsdirectsales.com.

Results: WinXP removed in 2012 because certain programs wouldn't load, rendering it a problem. Window Vista is running smoothly with all updates, however, when compared to Win7 it is a bit ancient, it gona be removed completely soon. I was amazed at how Win7 actually finds & installs vendor drivers for all programs, the ones it can't find are usually the legacy & the discontinued programs. So, there alone it warns of non-supported programs & updates by the OEM vendor. Great feature. I call Win8 the APPS OS, having all of the above & Upcoming Windows Blue or 8.1 being twicked with more. Therefore Windows XP is "history".

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Feasibility of continuing to use Windows XP
Jun 15, 2013 4:45AM PDT

It is perfectly feasible to continue using XP for as long as you have the computer with a couple of caveats;

first, as already noted, there will not be any bug fixes or security patches to close holes. So you should pay particular attention to any security reports which mention something about XP.

also as noted, any new devices that you get will not have XP specific drivers and if you need an OS specific driver that will not run under XP, you will not be able to use that device.

Other important software you use will not be updated. Be very certain to download NOW, every updated XP functioning installation of all the software you use as it is likely to disappear. This is particularly the case with your AV software. If you practice safe hex, you should be okay for the most part, at least, until you go to a site that has been hacked and pushing out a new virus your software can't catch ...

Arrrgggghhh, there was another thing but now I forget ...

Consider trying Linux, in particular LInux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. You will be amazed at how much it looks and feels like Windows. Even a couple of years ago, running Linux meant a lot of command line activity. However, at this point they have a GUI interface for the vast majority of things you will need to do. There are two added benefits to this approach: first - most Linux application is free and just about anything you can imagine doing with your computer will have a decent free version for you. A particular benefit if you are cost conscious. Second, there are EXTREMELY few viruses that attack Linux.

So download LinuxMint and set up a live CD, boot Cinnamon and check it out.

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And third...
Jun 17, 2013 9:35AM PDT

...if you go with a major distro like Mint or Ubuntu, the upgrades are free! Yes, no shelling out yet MORE money to people who have it in bucket-loads, only to have their product go obsolete, so you have to shell out even MORE money to stay current: Linux Mint is free and will stay free.
Saying that: I do donate to the cause. I'm not a freeloader... software this good merits our support!

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Why all the heated discussion?
Jun 15, 2013 8:28AM PDT

Why all the discussion, and very passionate discussion at that? Did 98 or 95 get all this attention when they were discontinued? It is interesting how we get so upset about the old being phased out yet we forget about the older. What about ME, 98, 95, 3.1, dos? What about NT (btw, XP on are all based on NT).

Without meaning to, I completely phased XP out of my life about six months ago. I finally deleted my virtual machine off my desktop and haven't looked back s since.

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You think this is heated?
Jun 15, 2013 9:45AM PDT

Although a couple of posters have made a rude comment or two, this discussion has been very civilized! You should see what some discussions get to be like.

People genuinely love XP. It's just that simple. Yes, people did complain when some operating systems were discontinued. This is not new. The difference is that this time there are many more people who want to keep the old OS. I happen to agree with them. Microsoft did make some improvements in the newer versions, but they also made some very stupid mistakes. I found XP to be the easiest of all the Windows OSes to use myself. I now have all Windows 7, but I am unwilling to jump to Windows 8. It is nothing like what I need.

Microsoft has been trying to control our private machines and make us all clones of each other for a long time now. It is wrong, and people are absolutely correct to fight it.

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Over time people tend to forget...
Jun 15, 2013 10:14PM PDT

Love XP? I remember trying to sell PC's with XP. People were afraid to jump from W98 SE. Yeah XP was called slow, too visual and other nasty stuff. Love was not one of it. It was the news Windows 8. Yeah, Zdnet remembers...

http://www.zdnet.com/windows-8-is-the-new-xp-7000006095/

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It doesn't matter
Jun 16, 2013 4:43AM PDT

They love it now. That is what I said. It does not matter what happened back then. What matters is that they love it now. What is wrong with just leaving people alone? You might also recall that it has been said, "if it works, don't fix it." The interface (NOT the underlying system) works very well for most people. Microsoft has no business forcing people to abandon an interface that they are familiar with and that works for them. Anyone who argues with that clearly is out of touch with reality. The underlying system can be completely altered, while still maintaining the same interface, with the same familiar way of doing things. Microsoft just doesn't want to let people do as they like with their own machines.

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I don't think you get it..
Jun 16, 2013 2:21PM PDT

By the way you sound, it looks like that we have to stay forever with Windows XP. Windows 7 is 100 times a better interface than XP. And tuned to take the advantages of newer processors. You have video, large size photos, animation, and all sorts of multimedia. with XP this is what you will get:

- no new browsers - required now by most commercial sites. If you live outside the US, you will not know.
- no AV program updates
- no patches & fixes
- no new drivers for peripherals
- ancient hardware that would fail anytime (IDE and the rest)
- restrictions on disk size
- Memory restriction to 3.XX GB
- 32 bit mode only

Nobody says that you throw away W98. You can still use in virtually under win 7. However like a lot of people have said, you wont miss it, while you enjoy the latest one with the newer PC's. They are a dream compared to Windows XP.

Whatever said and done MS has made you access to the internet the part of every OS and they have done so again and again with whatever hardware that appears. If you did not have MS, then you would be looking at a 1000 different versions of Linux with no common ease of use - like what you have now with the mobiles with 7 major ones at the last count. MS had to change their software according to new processors and technologies that evolved. The old versions would not jive it.

I've been selling PC's since 1989. And I am still doing that. I don't ask my clients to upgrade every iteration that MS comes out. In fact, I'm not a fan of Windows 8 - YET. You have to admit that once you purchased a XP in 2001, you are still being supported 12 years later by the creator of that program. Give me one darn company that has done that for FREE!

Don't always go after MS, they have done a lot of good and their creator is giving away all his money that he has made from you. Match that!

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Wrong!
Jun 16, 2013 4:12PM PDT

First of all, the "100 times better interface" is not something I want nor need. The 100 times worse interface in XP is more than enough. There is an XP version for 64 bit. I thought you knew that... I happen to have it. Restrictions on disk size?!? I currently use 2x1TB SATA disks+1TB external mobile drive on my XP system. Doesn't seem to have a problem... The 3.25GB restriction is... well... for 32 bit. However, it is most unlikely that on a XP system you'll ever need more! Regardless of what you do with it. The "100 times better interface" needs more than 3.25 GB of RAM... As to the ancient hardware... Let me put it this way: on my first computer, a 386, I had no HDD failure. Gave it away as I purchased it. On my second, a 586, also no failure. On the third, a Barton 2000, 1 HDD failure, 1 video board failure. The fourth was a Dual Core - one MB failure, 2 HDD, 1 video, 1 RAM. The fifth is this one I have now... A QuadCore AMD. So far, 2 HDD failures, 1RAM, 1Video. In about 1,5 years. What does that tell us? Obviously the quality and resilience of components decreases. In time. As a matter of fact, my 386 costed me about 3 times more than the QuadCore. It's obvious, components manufacturers don't invest that much in quality components, since they will become obsolete sooner. Besides that, there are a lot of second hand components on the market at cheap prices. I'm sure I'll be able to 'patch up" my old computers a long time from now! As a matter of fact I have and still do that for family and friends. Nope. Just for the eyecandy... it's not worth the money!

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No, YOU don't get it
Jun 16, 2013 5:01PM PDT

People have a right to make their own decisions. Stop trying to force your own ideas on everyone else. Microsoft has never given anything away for free. Microsoft is not angelic, and stop pretending they are. You are simply angry that I wrote the truth.

And incidentally, I have Windows 7, not XP. You would know that if you read anything instead of getting angry and having a fit.

I said it wasn't heated, but you are certainly trying to turn this into a fight. I won't pay any more attention to you.

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FUD
Jun 17, 2013 9:25AM PDT

"If you did not have MS, then you would be looking at a 1000 different versions of Linux with no common ease of use..."
Um, you only use one of them at a time -- it's pretty easy to use -- but then, maybe having choices isn't a good thing? Wink

And...

"their creator is giving away all his money that he has made from you. Match that!"
*ALL* his money? Really? Would he give *me* some, then? Laugh

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If you were a bona fide charitable organization, he might
Jun 18, 2013 8:07AM PDT

I suspect you are not.

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Retirement travails
Jun 15, 2013 10:36AM PDT

You ask why no big fuss over Win 95, Win 98 and Win Me ...

Did you ever use Win 95 or Win Me? The only purpose I ever found for Win ME was when a Win 98 install became corrupted, you could upgrade the machine to Win Me and then revert back to Win 98 and the problems in Win 98 would be fixed ...

Most likely the biggest reason no one cried about the others is that they were 16 bit OSs and everyone wanted a 32 bit OS. We had had 32 bit computers for quite some time, but the only two commercially available desktops which could use it were Windows NT - partially - and OS/2. We had had 32 bit processors starting in late 86. Over ten years later, users did not have a 32 bit OS except for those who were fortunate enough to use OS/2. We started seeing 64 bit CPU's in desktops sometime in 2003. I can't remember if Win2K was fully 32 bit, but I don't think so. I am pretty sure it was still dragging along a fair bit of 16 bit functions. So XP, was released in ,late 2001, 5 years after the first 32 bit processors hit the market.

Why would we care about a 32 bit OS, I hear you ask. RAM! With a 16 bit OS you could access a whopping 640 Kb of RAM. By implementing extended memory, you could fake it up to around a meg. I don't know about you, but I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out how to get driver X and component Y to run within those constraints and still have enough RAM to run your programs. Finally having a 32 bit OS brought the RAM limit up to a whopping 4GB! (Well, 3 and change, really). Going to 64 bit OS charges that up to 192 !GB! of ram in professional versions of Windows 7, 8gb for the home versions. This was a huge plus to the world of computing and probably one of the biggest reasons people weren't unhappy to wave good by to Win9x/WinME. ... Well, that and the need to reboot Win 9x at least 2-3 times a day. I was very fortunate. My brother provided me with a Compaq 386DX with the math-co and 12 MEGS! of memory. As I was using OS/2, I could use that type of memory long before all the 16 bit'ters could get access.

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OOps
Jun 15, 2013 11:21AM PDT

Last line, 3rd paragraph was supposed to say 15 years after 32 bit processors hit the market with 64 bit processors entering the mainstream about two years later./

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Can't third party developers fill the gap?
Jun 15, 2013 11:14AM PDT

"Nature abhors a vacuum" and the size of the user base will largely determine demand. I would expect third party developers will support XP for 5 years after Microsoft quits; and, by that time, most XP users will need a new computer, anyway.