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How do you install WinXP on a new system with Vista pre load

Jul 11, 2007 12:55AM PDT

The fire company in our town recently purchased a new PC with Vista pre installed. The problem is that all of the data generated for State, County, and Town reports are presently generated in programs compatible with WinXP OS, not Vista OS and those programs will not be updated to work with Vista for at least another year or more.

How do they install WinXP OS on the new system, retaining the Vista OS so that the operator can select between WinXP or Vista at start up?

Thanks,

Bill

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Not supported.
Jul 11, 2007 6:20AM PDT
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You also need the media & Key
Jul 14, 2007 2:34AM PDT

I heard a while back from our Dell rep that we had an option of downgrading Vista on our new laptops with XP--Not!!! I called Microsoft two weeks ago and told them my intentions, there basic response was make sure the manufacturer of the laptop has XP drivers then go out and buy the XP operating system you want to install. I can't believe (yeah I can) how Microsoft is forcing manufacturers to install their latest OS on their laptops and not giving consumers a choice? Our business network applications do not play well with Vista at all. We have millions of dollars invested in our Network software. Some of our proprietary software still requires nothing higher than Windows 2000.

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What We've Done...
Jul 11, 2007 3:50PM PDT

On our brand-name computers, we've created the Vista Recovery Discs from the Recovery partition, then wiped the hard drive completely using a disc wipe program such as DBAN.

Once that's done, install XP by repartitioning the drive, reformatting, and running the XP disc... Recognize that this isn't for the faint at heart or newbies.. You'll need to find all the correct hardware drivers for ALL the hardware on the machine, and you'll need to have a FULL XP SP2 disc, PLUS, if the hard drive is SATA, you'll want to have the SATA drivers on a floppy.. See the link below for a discussion about a number of folks who have "downgraded" to XP from Vista:

http://forums.cnet.com/5208-12546_102-0.html?forumID=133&threadID=243153&messageID=2460401

Later, should you decide to revert back to Vista, you should be able to use the Recovery discs to do so.

But as mentioned earlier, none of this is supported by Microsoft or the computer manufacturer.

Hope this helps.

Grif

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Before you wipe it all out
Jul 11, 2007 9:13PM PDT
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Did you notice their first step?
Jul 11, 2007 9:42PM PDT

"We're going to use the DISKPART on the Vista DVD"

Computers that come with Vista pre-installed do not have this capability or the required "Vista DVD".

Looks like a dead end unless you get the full Vista DVD which is in fact a supported dual boot but it's $$$ to do.

Bob

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OK, Bob is right. If no Vista
Jul 12, 2007 10:50PM PDT
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OEM and its limitations
Jul 12, 2007 11:12PM PDT

Let's put this into a nutshell, I won't use an OEM version of windows as all too often it creates problems(salvageable?). Have access to full retail versions of the OSes in question and proceed from there. Just be sure to have access to proper sized partitions and if possible don't use partition s/w for this purpose, but you can(if applicable). Upon OS install, install the older OS first then the newest, next. Of course have access to all driver CDs, floppies, etc. so when asked can be installed and continue on. Once, you get all this, then the other processes fall into place.

All, the other posts here do offer good advise, just beware if you've never done this, expect problems of some sort. Understand, using the OEM version of Vista maybe so restrictive, it won't allow a dual boot(easy setup) or you don't have access to certain pgms. and/or files even if from a 3rd party available. Of course, there's nothing to say, you can use XP alone provided you have proper drivers and then tackle this problem at a later date for Vista dual OS mode.

tada -----Willy Happy

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A helpful link...
Jul 12, 2007 11:21PM PDT
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vista and xp
Jul 14, 2007 12:46AM PDT

i am getting a new computer and i was thinking about installing a new hard drive and install windows xp & use that as a master drive and use the the other drive with vista as a slave drive,i think that be done.then you have xp and vista.?

rich

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Just one thing.
Jul 14, 2007 12:56AM PDT

Today's machines come with SATA drives which are all masters. The concept of slave may be showing you are thinking of IDE drive technology.

In spite of this you can put the new drive in the boot position and deal with the usual XP install issues. But if you've been reading this does not result in a dual boot.

Dual boot is an expensive proposition since OEM copies (what's coming with your machine) do not support this.

Bob

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Not for the Novice!
Jul 14, 2007 2:49AM PDT

This is a job better left to your I.T. Department but it's definately do-able. Before you start anything, make sure the manufacturer has drivers for your unit that support Windows XP. If not, it might be a pain getting devices to function properly. If there are then you'll need a boot utility disc that will allow you to delete and re-create the hard drive partitions(s) on the PC. Once that's accomplished, you'll need the XP media plus licensing, either a Volume license, or a retail purchase disc/cd-key that is not installed on any other PC. Then it's just a matter of booting to the XP installation disc, formatting drive, updating drivers... .

* Note * If the Vista installation your removing did not come with disc(s), acquire instruction on burning a recovery/installation CD/DVD before you delete Vista in case you ever want to re-install it on that same unit. Remember OEM installation software (license) is tied to that particular unit. You can not use an un-used/removed Vista/License on a different unit.

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vista and xp
Jul 14, 2007 11:12AM PDT

thank you for the info, it was a good question, anything is possable in computers today, i'll try it anyway got nothing to lose.
thank you again for the info
rich

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Virtual Machine?
Jul 14, 2007 11:47PM PDT

Have you tried VMWare? I think V.6 works in Vista. There's no dual boot involved; XP runs in a window.

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vista and xp
Jul 15, 2007 12:53AM PDT

no i haven't, but thank you for the info i'll keep that in mine.
thank you
rich

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Booting with Vista.
Jul 16, 2007 11:20PM PDT

The easiest way to do it without having confusion while using the machine would be to have a second hard drive with the same specs as the original, same brand, size, speed everything. That way the computer doesnt have to reconfigure for the new drive type every time you swap the drive. It would work even with a different drive but we are looking for simplicity here. Then install a removable caddy that supports the drive type you have allready and thus the new drive, makes sure to plug the caddy drive cable into the same port the original hard disk was connected to. Now just put in the new drive in the caddy that is turn on the machine with a copy of win XP in the CD rom or dvd rom with the bios set to boot from it. Load xp and set it up as you would normally. If you want to use Vista, which I for sure wouldnt understand as I have it and brother,,well I'll skip that,,anyway whatever system you want to use just put that drive in before you turn on the machine. I use EZ Swap2 Caddys. They are fast reliable, hot swappable if your motherboard supports it and best of all they use Direct Connect inside so you never have to mess with plugging anything in. Just slip in the drive and turn on the machine. I have been doing this since the first betas of Vista came out and have had no problems at all. None ,,, nota,,,,zilch and thats good. I even have a raid0 stripe drive that has all my music and photos and data files that I use and it works (all the data) equally well with either OS. So I dont have to have dupes of 125 gigs of tunes, vids and photos. Good luck. There are for sure other ways but none as simple if you can afford the caddy and another drive.

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dual install xp-vista
Jul 17, 2007 4:00AM PDT

This is not a dual boot in the normal sense, but lets you use both OSs. It will also void your warranty.

got to: http://imhdd.ms11.net/switch/sw01.html

This is nice in that you don't touch the Vista and it doesn't see the XP or vise versa. You only have to modify the front of the case permanently and you have a second hard drive when you convert to one system.

1. buy a new hard drive for your computer. ~$120
2. buy a double pole double throw centeroff toggle switch.<$3.50
3. scavange a set of drive connectors from a scrap power supply. Free
4. obtain about a foot of bare 14 guage copper wire for connector pins. Free

Other goodies - tape or cable wrap. a drill for the toggle switch, possibly epoxy, and "liquid" eletrical tape for insulation.

Read the directions and decide if you want to proceed. Its simple and it works, I have a switchable xp/Linux system. the only reason I keep xp is for games and a couple of programs I haven't bought for linux. Most everything is in Linux now.

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Jul 17, 2007 4:28AM PDT

ok good

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vista and xp
Jul 17, 2007 5:34AM PDT

i have not done it with xp & vista yet, but i did do it with windows 98 & xp. i just have 2 hard drives and i just switch the plugs on them as i need them. i did take some programs off windows 98 and put them in windows xp, all working good so far, as soon as i get a new computer i'll do it the same way vista to xp. my daughter install xp over 2000 Windows Millennium Edition and she still has Millennium on her system with xp.what windows did was made a back up of Millennium on her system when she installed it. hope that helps a little
rich