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How do we protect ourselves when ISPs are selling our data?

Apr 14, 2017 3:44PM PDT

Here's my question: How can we protect ourselves against the potential new law that allows broadband internet providers to track and sell our data?

Apparently, they will be able to track every single website that we access on our computers and mobile phones (wirelessly) without our consent. Will even my choice of library books be tracked?

Because the broadband market isn’t steaming with competition, we don’t have much choice about it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/house-allows-isps-sell-data,34012.html

Thanks.,

--Submitted by Marty J.

Post was last edited on April 21, 2017 10:37 AM PDT

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Don't give up, Don't give in...
Apr 14, 2017 5:05PM PDT

The problem with these things is that it takes people with influence (and money/resources) to make change or stop such changes. You cannot fight the carriers alone.

As an analogy, ...Off the subject, I live in California, where the fuel taxes are going UP AGAIN, I believe, which are the highest in the nation. We as mere "subjects" of the Governor "Brown" fiefdom, have NO say in these decisions. The governor weighs in and gets support from those WE VOTE IN TO OFFICE, and they screw us.
Regardless of how the taxpayers feel, the tax is/has been implemented. Add another .12 cents to the already ridiculous gas prices we pay here, hence about 80 cents to a dollar a gallon, in TAX alone.

What is the point? Because complaining gets us nowhere, ...the only thing that will stop this kind of abuse is to spearhead a change campaign, but.... good luck because most folks just don't care enough to help. They simply give up yet another slice of privacy.

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Clueless
Apr 21, 2017 8:38PM PDT

Well, that was a thread killer *** does your high gas tax have to do with ISP's selling our browsing information. Pay attention.

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Don't Give, Don't Give in..
Apr 22, 2017 8:59AM PDT

Any opportunity to vent I guess.

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Truly Clueless
Apr 22, 2017 10:03AM PDT

@Clueless
The gas tax was an example. The point is the lack of public interest to prevent unfair changes. Pay attention.

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Top post about the gas tax.
Apr 22, 2017 10:23AM PDT

It's a topic I think is under discussed. Too bad they didn't increase it a penny a year rather than catch up all at once. Here in the USA the last gas tax raise was in 1993 and it's time.

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RE: Top post about the gas tax.
Apr 22, 2017 11:39AM PDT

He was talking about Individual STATE fuel taxes, not the Fed Fuel Tax. If/when the Fed Fuel Tax does go up, then the price of EVERYTHING one can buy will go up right along with it. Why? Because Trucking companies are the ones who actually pay the highest fuel taxes both Federally and in each State they fuel up their trucks in. THEY are the ones who essentially pay for our roads and highways.

What Joe Blow pays in gas tax to fill up his Prius and Jane.Q. Public pays to fill up her beater is just a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking on the whole. I don't know why California charges so much for their gas/fuel taxes other than to pad politicians pockets and off shore bank accounts. I've run all over California and their Interstates are so rough I HAD to wear a seat-belt simply to stay behind the steering wheel of the truck I was driving, no less for 'safety'. I think that without saying as much, that is just one thing that webserf had on his mind when he vented his frustration and used it as just another example of how the "Public Servant" skrooz the lot of us on a regular basis.

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Thanks but how about a discussion on this?
Apr 22, 2017 11:58AM PDT

Please top post. I'm going to like that because of something I did 6 months ago.

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@R. Proffitt specifically
Apr 23, 2017 12:16PM PDT

Exactly what topic to which are you referring??? And where should I put it???

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This link.
Apr 23, 2017 12:19PM PDT
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I have no problem with paying taxes for the roads I use.
Apr 23, 2017 11:34PM PDT

If you travel much, you will see that we have some of the cheapest gas in the world. Germany was $6/gallon last visit, Costa Rica is $8/gallon right now. We are spoiled here. Our disposable income is among the highest in the world. No one likes taxes but everyone wants the services they provide.

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The price of gas...
Apr 25, 2017 7:50PM PDT

in the other countries has little to do with the price here in the US. They have NO sources of their own oil and therefore have to buy all of their fuel from OPEC, etc.

The US, on the other hand DOES have its own sources of oil. That makes a BIG difference. Local product costs less to market than having to buy foreign product to resell.

And if you want to get right down to brass tacks, the PRICE of fuel BEFORE taxes has little to nothing to do with the price of those taxes. The price of fuel and the amount of tax levied against that fuel is TWO vastly different things. The original comment about gas was directed specifically about the taxes paid on it, not the general price by itself.

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Gas taxes
Apr 27, 2017 9:09AM PDT

European countries and Costa Rica are small. It doesn't take much gas to get to most places you might travel to regularly. In the US commuting distances are often long and the size of our country has made it difficult to have rapid transit covering all our major cities.

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Opera VPN
Apr 14, 2017 5:05PM PDT

Download Opera, Opera Max and/or Opera VPN and use their free VPN. If you like spending money subscribe to one of the many VPN for hire services.

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There is some more.
Apr 15, 2017 9:41AM PDT

Opera now comes with an integrated ad-blocker; as I write, I can see the numeral 26 next to its icon, as in ads blocked on the page. In addition, one can add the EFF´s Privacy Badger to tackle tracking. At the moment, it detects 8 potential trackers that have been blocked either fully or partially.
Useful features.

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Not that imple
Apr 22, 2017 8:15AM PDT

Good idea and there are many free ad-blockers around, but a number of websites request you to disable your ad-blocker or they would not open their pages.

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VPN
Apr 22, 2017 2:08PM PDT

Yep, started using Opera as my default browser for testing a few weeks ago. One thing I noticed is their VPN, which I was curious about. So I enabled it. The way it works is that it routes you through the network and assigns a virtual IP address. This address changes, and shows the location as Alberta Canada.

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VPNs
Apr 24, 2017 2:27PM PDT

I've been using a VPN with a lifetime subscription. The recent problem though, is that my ISP has started blocking my connection when they cannot see me. If I turn the VPN off, it's fine. If I turn the VPN and do regular browsing, it's fine. If I turn VPN on and open a private window, it works only until I close the other windows.

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ISP Blocking access
Apr 25, 2017 6:15AM PDT

You might want to review your ISP terms of service. Not sure if it's legal for them to block access as you're paying them for a service.

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That's Unusual
Apr 25, 2017 10:26AM PDT

When I was working, I had to connect into work through SSLVPN. Not quite the same thing as the VPN settings you are probably using. It could be just a setting in VPN. Maybe call the VPN technical support people if this was a paid subscription.

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I dunno....
Apr 25, 2017 7:10PM PDT

I think I'd be more apt to call the ISP and see what they say about the problem. They may pass the buck and if they do, you'll know just a little more about them, eh? But, yes, getting support from the VPN provider is the second step I would take if the ISP has no acceptable answers. Even if the ISP does help with the problem, I would still let the VPN know what's up. But, that's just me. YMMV.

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Use the Ballot Box
Apr 14, 2017 5:27PM PDT

I am afraid that the only real solution to this is going to be at the ballot box. In two years we will have another congressional election, and you need to let your Representatives and Senators all know that this is an important issue that will guide your vote. Get ALL of your friends to write also. It's not enough for techie insiders to want privacy on the net, the average Joe or Jane needs to understand that he or she needs it too. Don't waste your time signing online petitions that all the same techies sign...fill their mailboxes with paper. Remember, most of Congress is old enough that paper still matters to them...to them it's a sign of sincerity and depth of commitment. It's too easy to dash off a 5-line email.

Also, don't focus on just the Republican members of Congress. Many of the Democrats are on board with net privacy issues only because the Republicans are against it, and will change their position on the drop of a big donation from Comcast or AT&T to their re-election campaign. It's just not a big enough issue to them unless they sense that their constituents (i.e., voters) are really fired up.

It's going to have to be written into law by Congress, not dictated by a presidential edict. You get that by driving votes to the ballot box.

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Yes, some Democrats are on board.
Apr 19, 2017 7:42PM PDT

Particularly Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon, who assisted Republican Senator Rand Paul in filibustering in the name of privacy (against NSA Metadata collection) a year or so back. Unfortunately, my Representative is a big government Pelosi lapdog (I guarantee you that Pelosi doesn't care about your privacy), so I'm stuck pestering my senators.

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@BayushiZero off the point but Pelosi voted Nay
Apr 20, 2017 3:32PM PDT

Look up J.S. Res.34 for the 115th congress and you can with some digging see who voted and how.

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@bus - RE: J.S. Res. 34 for 115th Congress...
Apr 22, 2017 11:43AM PDT

I did just that. I looked up "J.S. Res. 34 for 115th Congress" and found a list of sites about it 10 miles long. For the sake of expediency, could you please post the URL of the page you specified??? Thank you.

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Shortcut
Apr 24, 2017 10:09AM PDT

If you don't want to read the list of Yeahs and Nays, just consider that if a senator has an R after his name, he voted Yeah. If he has a D, he voted Nay. You may want to ask your Republican senators how many of their constituents nagged them to vote Yeah on this issue prompting their ISP to sell their private information. Doesn't seem as though this is something anyone other than those making a profit would want.

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Not so
Apr 24, 2017 6:17PM PDT

That method only adds to the FUD. There were Democrats that were against the unenforced regulation, as well as Republicans for it. The only way to tell is by reading the voting record.

Also, check the facts about the regulation before making any claims about ISPs suddenly being allowed to sell private information.

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Nope!
Apr 25, 2017 8:16PM PDT

It's NOT hard to go to those two links and see what is what. Anyone with a working brain can do it.

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A Few Things You Probably Don't See
Apr 14, 2017 7:55PM PDT

You've probably heard of the saying: "There's no such thing as a free lunch". That applies in droves to the Internet. Think of all the websites you visit. Yahoo? Google? Any of them? Do you pay to visit these websites and use their services? No? Then how come they make BILLIONS of dollars a year. I hate to use "Google" as an example because, if people cut out the nonsense and actually READ their privacy policy and the terms of use (Terms) - notice how small the links are on Google's website - you will be surprised. One gentlemen wanted to put his entire family's financial data where everyone could get to it including user names, passwords, social security numbers, addresses, mother's maiden name: all of that. Someone suggested Google so I told the original poster to go read those documents. That ended that discussion. I worked in criminal justice for a local government and we were not allowed to use Google due to federal CJIS rules that said all who can see the data must pass a background check. Google employees don't/can't do that. If you look up one of our customer's: Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) and Google you will see the issues going back as far as 2011. Google maintains information on every person that they can. Facebook free? Zuckerberg makes a lot of money (and, no, he didn't invent social networking. We were doing that back before there was a World Wide Web in the 80s).

The point I'm making is your personal information is already being grabbed out there. Use an add-on called Ghostery and see all of the tracking sites that grab information about you. Your ISP? That's just adding to something that is already out there. It would be nice if Internet ads were just that: Advertisements but, unfortunately, in order to do "targeted advertising" they need a lot of cumulative information about you. So, your ISP would only add to the advertising mix. Just remember that it is "advertising" that makes the world wide web possible without you having to pay for every page you visit. It's reasonable. Right, Lee?

So what do you do? Never put information out there that you don't want the rest of the world to see! ISP or Doubleclick.net (Google) it doesn't matter. Don't put the words "We'll destroy America" or "...dig up Marilyn Monroe's grave" into a private tweet unless you want to deal with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as a British couple found out.

Others have great suggestions about using a VPN which is like a private tunnel but that's only a minor part of the big picture. If an advertisement sends you to a tracking site, information will still change hands. So, enjoy the web but remember to watch what you say. And yes, if you mention library books, or what you buy from Amazon, someone will know about it. It's sad when I get advertisements for medical problems that I have that are none of anyone's business.

Post was last edited on April 21, 2017 2:22 PM PDT

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lets not forget
Apr 14, 2017 8:04PM PDT