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How could this be?

by Dan McC / September 23, 2004 4:48 AM PDT

We're hold just over half as many prisoners but we're getting 50% more intel. You don't think it's because we stopped torturing them, do you?




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Makes sense.
by RB2D2 / September 23, 2004 11:22 AM PDT
In reply to: How could this be?

If the Iraqi people really are glad that we are there than naturally they will want to help us, especially if captured. Unless we beat them over the head and make them resentful instead.

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No, and if you had actually read it...
by Edward ODaniel / September 23, 2004 11:39 AM PDT
In reply to: How could this be?

wou wouldn't have exhibited the knee jerk either.

You appear to have leaped to your conclusion based on - the number of "high-value" intelligence reports drawn from interrogations of Iraqi prisoners had increased by more than half on a monthly basis since January. That was when American officials disclosed that they were investigating abuses of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of U.S. military police and intelligence officers at Abu Ghraib.

And never got as far as - In May, a number of physically and psychologically coercive practices used by interrogators to break down suspected Iraqi insurgents were prohibited following reports of widespread abuse at Abu Ghraib. Among those techniques banned by American commanders were sleep deprivation, the hooding and stripping of prisoners, and the use of dogs to frighten detainees. and definitely not to - In May, June and July, we made slow progress, because we were developing our teams again, getting our procedures, and allowing them to get their confidence built back up," Miller said.

Of the coercive tactics formerly in use in Iraq, only one - holding a prisoner in isolation for more than 30 days - is still permitted, and then only with the permission of a senior officer.

You should also note that torture was not mentioned because torture was not used. That is OK though as we all readily recognize that you are seldom bothered with limiting yourself to facts rather than fantasies.

Care to try again?

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You're insulting, as always
by Dan McC / September 23, 2004 11:46 PM PDT

So your point is that we stopped torturing them and put in new procedures and started getting better results?

That's pretty much what I said.


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Re: You're insulting, as always
by Josh K / September 23, 2004 11:50 PM PDT

I think Ed would prefer that you use the word "abuse" in place of "torture." I know the legal difference between those two words means a world of difference to the victims, the Iraqi people and the United Nations, and it should matter to you too. Wink

Aside from that, the passages he quoted appear to support your contention so I'm not sure what he was getting at.

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