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Hmong correction:

by drpruner / January 30, 2007 6:51 AM PST

In my earlier posts on this group and its troubles in the US, I incorrectly referred to them as an ethnic group in Vietnam. Should have said Laos. My other comments still apply, though, as this was part of the whole Vietnam War package, involving all of Indochina. Story below shows wartime memories die hard.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6314463.stm

"Thailand has suspended plans to forcibly repatriate 153 Hmong refugees to Laos, after the US and other Western countries agreed to take them.
The refugees had been resisting efforts to send them back, saying they face persecution at home."

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by Angeline Booher / February 1, 2007 1:47 AM PST
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Later the Thai foreign ministry said the deportation had been put on hold indefinitely after the US, Canada, Australia and the Netherlands had given assurances that they would take the Hmong.

Bully for those countries!!!

Up to 9,000 Hmong immigrants live in Thailand, which has been trying to work out a long term solution with Laos.

That sounds hopeful.

Thailand has been having it's internal troubles.

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/More_troops_for_southern_Thailand_troubles

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by marinetbryant / February 1, 2007 2:07 AM PST
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I thought that was what the UN was supposed to do. Work out things like this. In my limited view and understanding that is what is wrong with the UN and the US, trying to force Multiculturism on everyone. It seems each nation, and their various ethnicities, think differently about everything. Each should be respected and they should keep their culture but if they wish to move, that culture should take a backseat to the host nation. Plus different folks have entirely different ways of thinking. If you want Chinese food you have several "types" to choose from, Manchurian, Peking, etc. It is a shame when the best of intentions cause misery.

Tom

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Since it has been over a quarter century
by drpruner / February 1, 2007 2:28 AM PST
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since the war's end (US version), I'm not sure of all the factors involved. I said 'war memories are durable'; the Hmong caught flak from any Communist or nationalistic government for helping the US forces. (And remember that the late 'humanitarian' Dr. Tom Dooley was outed as a Laos-based CIA informant early on.)

Add to this the Hmong's aboriginal status in Indochina, and you have the ingredients for a long-term - and increasingly irrational - "discrimination". Actually, I think the thrust of the story that led to the previous thread was that the Hmong are being treated decently here; even given their own schools which will make them bi-lingual. (And some posters objected to the implementation, as I recall.)

My observation, still valid IMO, is that many of you 'Nam vets don't know (or don't care) about their plight there or here, and they were once your allies even unto death. Probably few of you knew back then, but the information has been public at least since '75. A good lesson for all of us who are too ready to trust our welfare to the words of other men.

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(NT) And the UN is a separate, 'untouchable' topic.
by drpruner / February 1, 2007 2:29 AM PST
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I agree....
by Angeline Booher / February 1, 2007 3:16 AM PST
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.... that forcing "our ways" upon others is not in our or their interest.

("Something of Value" was a great read on that. When you take something away, you must replace it with something of value.)

Where we might differ, from what I read,in the story, is that those 150+ qualify for sanctuary under our laws. Apparently, from the article, the approx. 9,000 others are not targets.

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The article I posted said (I think)
by drpruner / February 1, 2007 3:27 AM PST
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that the Hmong think they're targets. Their opinion is the one that counts, unless there's fraud involved, intent being to get them into USA under a sob story. Haven't seen any sign that's the case.

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Here's the guys I had in mind in 'Nam:
by drpruner / February 8, 2007 8:47 AM PST
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Montagnards. In a similar fix as Hmong.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6342327.stm
"US downplays Montagnards threat.
A senior US government official has said Vietnamese Montagnards no longer suffer significant persecution.

Thousands of Montagnards from Vietnam's Central Highlands have poured over the border into Cambodia over the past three years to claim asylum.

They have made allegations of religious persecution and land grabs ..."

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