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History Channel. King David Battles BC. Seen it?

by James Denison / March 17, 2009 10:15 PM PDT

Sure seems one sided in it's presentation. Makes King David of Israel sound like Hitler.

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Here's my take:
by drpruner / March 17, 2009 10:36 PM PDT

"Say, have you seen The Bible?"
"No, I read the book."


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Thought it was interesting...
by EdHannigan / March 18, 2009 12:17 AM PDT

Graphics were somewhat cheesy. Going for that "300" look.

I think in those days (and even fairly recently) nice guys definitely finished last. Any military leader who conquered a lot of territory is not going to come off looking good by modern standards.

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James, anyone who seeks to conquer by force,...
by Paul C / March 18, 2009 4:11 AM PDT

...whatever his motives are, will always be seen after the fact as being aggressive (true), cruel (maybe) and brutal (that depends on what happens to the conquered peoples). It matters not a whit whether the "aggression" was an effort to regain a lost kingdom - as it was for David.

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Do the
by Dan McC / March 18, 2009 6:50 AM PDT

ends justify the means?


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You have entered the Machiavelli Trap.
by Paul C / March 18, 2009 7:15 AM PDT
In reply to: Do the

You presume that the statement "the ends justify the means" is always an invitation to evil. You should know better. Did not the ends of WWII - the destruction of German National Socialism, Italian Fascism and Japanese militarism - justify the means that were employed to destroy them? Did not the ends of smashing the evil that was Soviet Marxism-Leninism justify the means that the free peoples of the world used to smash it? (We'll leave aside for now that the Russian people, ever to accept some form of authoritarianism, are relapsing.)

Niccolai Machiavelli's central premise was that all else is useless unless the security of the state is assured. I think that I can argue persuasively that by debasing the already debased fiat currency of this nation to an incredible degree, this Administration and its predecessors - dating back to FDR - have failed the Machiavelli Test, and as a result, we are far less likely to survive as a society than we were in 1929.

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A nice up-beat reply. All countries slip down the old greasy
by Ziks511 / March 18, 2009 6:30 PM PDT

pole except Switzerland which hides everything under the streets of Zurich, Geneva and a few unacknowledged spots. If Bush and Cheney wanted to assure the survival of the United States, to hell with Iraq, invade Switzerland.

Rob :-^ (tic)

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(NT) 1 Chr 28:3
by drpruner / March 19, 2009 5:34 PM PDT
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Kingship is a tough act. You start out young and famous,
by Ziks511 / March 18, 2009 9:25 PM PDT

and then you become a celebrity and girls start throwing themselves after you, and eventually you end up in a family that makes the Osbournes look well adjusted. All the while all of your chief advisors are saying, "Everythings fine, you don't need to worry about the Midianites until after dark. Might be a good idea to marry off one of your girls to the Samaritans, you don't want them passing you by."

I mean there's real sweat, and graft and hard work there, all the time, and the girls still don't stop throwing themselves at you. "Nah, look heah my gir' you tryin' to ge' me in trouble with Berengeria? Oh, you saucy minx, I'll get you for that...."


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Oh, you saucy minx?
by Desperado JC / March 19, 2009 12:04 AM PDT

Where in the world are such thoughts coming from? They are certainly not coming from the historical record.

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What historical record?
by Dan McC / March 19, 2009 12:47 AM PDT
In reply to: Oh, you saucy minx?

For all we know it coulda been exactly like Ziks says.


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The life of King David is well described in several
by Desperado JC / March 19, 2009 10:25 PM PDT

books of the Old Testament.

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I did say "historical".
by Dan McC / March 19, 2009 11:04 PM PDT

I was wondering how they would reconcile the accounts related in various religious texts of questionable authorship with the total lack of archeological support for those accounts.

To my surprise I've found that they expressly have no interest in the archeological and independent evidence, or lack thereof, and were basing the series solely on the questionable texts.

I'm sure they'll be changing the outlet's name to The "History" Channel any day now.


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just because something is religious
by James Denison / March 20, 2009 12:16 AM PDT

doesn't make it non historical. Are you ready to toss all history derived from Greek and Roman writings that appeal to their "gods" at times or attribute losses or victories to their "gods" whims? Probably not.

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Their status as religious and not historical are
by Dan McC / March 20, 2009 3:26 AM PDT

independent descriptors of these texts.


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Look out, Des! That jerking knee
by drpruner / March 20, 2009 7:50 AM PDT

just missed you! Happy

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We all know quite well that a reliable source exists
by Steven Haninger / March 20, 2009 10:47 AM PDT

that will fill in the missing details, background information, dialogue, etc. It's called HOLLYWOOD. Remakes will be produced as new information becomes available. Happy

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Look at what David did from the other perspective
by Diana Forum moderator / March 19, 2009 1:18 PM PDT

How would the people that he conquered view him? How would Uriah view him?


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Yes, it will be interesting when David and Uriah
by drpruner / March 19, 2009 5:37 PM PDT

and Bathsheba encounter each other in the restored paradise. Rev 21:3,4.

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Well, if Uriah has any integrity
by James Denison / March 20, 2009 12:14 AM PDT

and I see him as having a lot, he won't have anything more to do with her, or David.

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David is just like the Godfather? This is not so.
by pjseaman / March 24, 2009 6:55 AM PDT

The professor's or other experts on the show seemed only interested in comparing David and his followers actions to that of the characters in movie, "The Godfather." One 'expert' on the show expressed amazement that so many reverence King David.

While one may compare King David's actions to that of the Godfather, there is much to be learned by contrasting King David to the Godfather.

Contrasting King David and the Godfather
1. Was the Godfather ever accused of making a fool out of himself by worshiping God in public? Well King David was. 2Samuel6
2. Did the Godfather ever let the man escape unharmed who tried to kill him even though David could have easily killed him & thereby gained the Kingship? Well King David did, not just once but twice. 1 SAMUEL 23:14-24:22; 26
3. Was the Godfather ever remorseful?
King David was. He fasted for seven days in hopes of saving the life of Bathshebas first child. He wrote Psalm 51, "Have mercy on me.....blot out my transgressions....." after his wrong regarding Uriah [Bathsheba's husband] was brought to his attention by Nathan the priest.

The Godfather usurped the government to have power for his own benefit and answered to no conception of God only to his conception of power. King David was the government and believed in God and doing right by God. Yes King David had his faults, as we all do, but because of his continuing relationship with God, David is the revered Biblical giant that he his.

Few in the whole of the Bible measure up to King Davd's accomplishments. Moses perhaps is his biggest 'competitor' for the greatest in the Old Testament and well Jesus, he's the hero for us all from the Bible. Perhaps Jesus, knowing the scriptures, ran away from those trying to make him King knowing from King David's experience all the troubles that come with being King.

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