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highway collapse in Oakland...

Apr 29, 2007 4:39AM PDT

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Spectacular fire
Apr 29, 2007 4:59AM PDT

Should make for lots of traffic jams tomorrow and weeks to come.

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Apr 30, 2007 6:35AM PDT

at the bottom of your and Angeline's posts:

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Ever been chased by a virtual ambulance? Does the arifare include car rental with damage waiver?

Sign of the times.

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How terrible!!!!
Apr 29, 2007 5:21AM PDT

I hope that no casualties are discovered later. It would have been so tragic had it happened during a higher traffic period.

I noted that "shortcuts" as used after the '94 quake would open the arteries sooner. Am I correct in assuming that those quake "shortcuts" have since been brought to full standards, and will be after this collapse.

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Your link was too slow, but Hotmail's
Apr 30, 2007 6:53AM PDT

home page has a link to a story with a very good slideshow.

Some years ago a tanker burned under an offramp in the LA area, with no visible structural damage, but the overpass was rebuilt anyway. Concrete doesn't react well to that much heat.
FYI I recall that 8600 gallons is a full load for a standard single trailer. Couldn't have been any worse from that standpoint.

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And now Houston:
Apr 30, 2007 7:40AM PDT
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We still remember this one in 2004 near Baltimore
Apr 30, 2007 3:06PM PDT
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better pics, more info here. Almost same as Oakland.
Apr 30, 2007 3:10PM PDT
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wow, that's really crazy
May 1, 2007 4:35AM PDT

thanks for the link

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(NT) Not much left of the truck.
May 3, 2007 3:15AM PDT
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I would think
Apr 30, 2007 6:41PM PDT

that because most of our highways are darn near older than the hills and construction techniques from long ago are antiquated compared with how they build roads 'today' that fuel accidents involving high heat levels will continue to cause things like this to happen. It's just 'hit and miss' as to where the accidents occur. To be honest, I'm surprised we don't have many more bridge collapse incidents because the bridges throughout our country are in pretty bad shape now.

TONI

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not so much an "age" problem
May 1, 2007 4:56AM PDT

more the intense heat i think, i imagine there must have been a few thousand degrees when that tanker blew

(for example the twin towers were only 30 yrs old and it was the heat that brought them down more than the actual impact)


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