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Hey Lampie, Peter, Bob

by russ666 / August 19, 2006 7:46 AM PDT
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Nothing new here
by mrmacfixit Forum moderator / August 19, 2006 10:13 AM PDT
In reply to: Hey Lampie, Peter, Bob

the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, are merely saying that it is legal to copy tracks from legally purchased and owned CD's onto an MP3 player.

The illegal part is when you borrow CD's from your friends and make a copy. Your friend also does not have the right to give you a copy of the CD.

This is the whole premise of iTunes.


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tends to be overlooked
by russ666 / August 20, 2006 2:00 AM PDT
In reply to: Nothing new here

As you say it is decidedly not "NEW" since the ruling that the artickle cites was handed down in 1999. What made it new from my own standpoint was i had not yet seen it. From there i tracked back to the actual ruling. Links on that page led to other informative artickles. (all "old")

Since CNET offers digital recordings for free download and one might suppose they do reimburse the artists or copyright holders in some fashion, my next musing was that since i could do this "space shifting" using the Ambrosia Wiretap software, as long as it was for my own use only and i didn't rip and distribute the result, was i getting into a kind of unintentional piracy area by recording and then later playing these free mp3 downloads or the free listen samples for myself or my guests from my own hard drive later. This question may be grist for the forum mill to chew on, or not. i like to read other opinions since it helps me to better understand my own.

Instinct tells me that i would be pushing the envelope a little too far. That i could theoretically listen but not share such recordings. Lacking a compelling reason for some injured party to get a search warrent, i would be unlikely to face any actual penalty as long as i kept my head down. But it would still be wrong.

Anyhow i decided against doing it on principle. The musicians are getting ripped off far too much already by their slave masters, the recording companies. They didn't need me to reduce their earnings further. "Space shifting" the actual musical content and listening to it in my own private way is where i draw the line. If i like it a lot and simply MUST share it, i buy the CD. CDs are not all that expensive.

Just because you don't have a cop in your living room, doesn't mean it is OK to use privacy laws to harm others, not even a nickle's worth.


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Two ideas.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 20, 2006 3:14 AM PDT
In reply to: tends to be overlooked

1. Don't ask, don't tell.

Some members asked for help in their efforts to make DVDs from downloaded videos or to get a game running they downloaded. I suggest they don't ask and we don't tell.

2. "Cop in the living room."

Not in this country but getting close with various cable and other DVRs that can report home what you pop into that player.


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never thought i would love a lawyer ;-)
by jonah jones / August 20, 2006 3:29 AM PDT
In reply to: Hey Lampie, Peter, Bob

Andrew P. Bridges, a lawyer who represented Diamond Multimedia added that under the ruling, consumers may, for example, legitimately transfer music from their audio CDs to their hard drive, convert the files to MP3 format and either play them on the computer or download copies of the files to the Rio or to other devices.

Consumers may also download authorized MP3 files, like promotional freebies or non-copyrighted works, from the Internet and make copies of them on their hard drives and in the Rio, said Bridges. He cautioned that in his view "space-shifting" does not extend to the downloading of unauthorized or pirated MP3 files


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