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HEY EVERYONE LISTEN UP ABOUT WINDOWS VISTA

Mar 4, 2007 2:40PM PST

LOOK PEOPLE I HAVE HEARD THE BUZZ AROUND THE NET ABOUT WINDOWS VISTA. EVERYONE BASHING MICROSOFT. MICROSOFT SUICKS AND ALL OF THE OTHER JUNK.

I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS OF VISTA I DID A LITTLE BETA TESTING AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT PRODUCT BACK WHEN THEY WERE LETTING PEOPLE DOWNLOAD THE BETA VERSIONS.

I BOUGHT VISTA WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT. OF COURSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME BUGS TO WORK OUT. EVERY OS HAS THAT. I THINK EVERYONE IS MISSING THE MAIN ISSUES HERE.

SURE THERE ARE SOME WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY ISSUES WITH DESKTOPS. I HAD MY LAPTOP CONNECTED WIRELESSLY WITH NO PROBLEMS DURING BETA TESTING.

THE MAIN PROBLEM I SEE IS HARDWARE VENDORS ARE DRAGGING THERE FETT ABOUT MAKING SOFTWARE AND DRIVERS COMPATIBLE WITH VISTA.

BEFORE YOU GO BASHING MICROSOFT DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.

I FOUND OUT THAT ATI THE MAKER OF MY VIDEO CARD HAD THE STUFF THEY NEEDED LAST OCTOBER TO MAKE THEIR TV TUNERS WORK WITH VISTA. HERE IT IS ONE MONTH AFTER LAUNCH AND STILL NOTHING.

THE SAME WITH EPSON AND LEXMARK, I HAVE A PRINTER MADE BY BOTH COMPANIES.

I GOT A DRIVER JUST LAST WEEK FOR MY EPSON PRINTER BUT LEXMARK SAYS ANOTHER MONTH.

MY ADVICE TO EVERYONE IS BEFORE YOU JUMP IN AND BUY WINDOWS VISTA DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ABOUT YOUR HARDWARE, (NOT JUST THE VISTA UPGRADE ADVISOR) THAT WON'T TELL YOU MUCH.

GO TO THE WEBSITES OF HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS LIKE NVIDIA, CREATIVE LABS, ATI, EPSON LEXMARK OR WHATEVER AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE DRIVERS AVAILABLE BEFORE YOU UPGRADE TO VISTA. IT WILL MAKE IT A LOT SMOOTHER.

I ALSO RECCOMNEND IF YOUR COMPUTER IS MORE THAN A YEAR OLD STAY WITH XP OR BUY A NEW MACHINE.
WINDOWS VISTA HAS SOME VERY AGGRESSIVE HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS. I HAVE A 2.8GHZ PENTIUM D WITH 1GB OF RAM. I UPGRADED MY RAM TO 3GB TO GET READY FOR VISTA.

I ACTUALLY RAN VISTA WITH ONLY 1GB OF RAM AND THE COMPUTER WAS SLOW. THE 2GB UPGRADE WAS LIKE ADDING NOS TO A MUSCLE CAR.

I ALSO AM SURPRISED THAT VISTA DOES NOT DETECT MY DUAL CORE.

IT SAYS I HAVE A 32-BIT PROCESSOR.

THE DELL BIOS SAYS IT IS INDEED 64-BIT
PENTIUM D WAS THE FIRST DUAL CORE RELEASED BY INTEL.

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Get yourself a cheap 2nd computer for the kids
Mar 10, 2007 10:46PM PST

Hi Sonny, this "thread" is about Microsoft Vista. You have many separate issues that you have brought up. I know how you feel though. When I first got into computing, I bought all the marketing hype that shows families with giant smiles and personal computing made life so wonderful in all their advertising. Then you actually begin to get into computing and find it is not as simple as pushing a button. My advice to you is to take your questions and break them down into simplistic, individual inquiries and post them on the issue specific "forums" (see top of this page is Windows Vista Forum) Post your questions on the appropriate forums and you will get all the help you need. You seem to have a good understanding already so it shouldn't take long for you to resolve your issues. I personally had a hard time reading this particular post because of your lack of punctuation and Caps at the beginning of sentences, as well as too many questions coming at us all at once. Goodluck, Badluck. No pun intended. Happy

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Please, use punctuation...
Mar 10, 2007 11:35PM PST

I would like to help, but I found myself getting lost reading your post due to the lack of capitalization, punctuation, and spacing. If you would, please try to uses those three keys to making your messages easier to read and understand...you'll receive far more replies if you do.

John

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logs
Apr 16, 2008 6:19PM PDT

under administrative tools what is the event viewer? If you open up the tree's there is a folder called microsoft and there are alot of folders. But when you open that event viewer folder is all that being logged? If so how do you delete them or turn it off/can youthanks just currious

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Event Viewer/logs...
Apr 17, 2008 4:30AM PDT

The Event Viewer can give you a log of a list of events, ranging from logon attempts to failed software installations and system crashes. I don't believe it logs the opening of Event Viewer by default, though. Personally I would recommend against disabling the logging as it can be extremely useful when troubleshooting problem that occur, both for you and any technician, but you can stop it by disabling the services Windows Event Collector and Windows Event Log.

Hope this helps,
John

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I Agree With John.. Leave Event Viewer Running...
Apr 17, 2008 9:35AM PDT

Those logs can be very informative when problems occur.

Hope this helps.

Grif

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You might want to change your view a bit
Sep 30, 2007 3:41AM PDT

The net isn't Orwellian or THX it's wild wild west or medieval realm

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newdesktop
Mar 7, 2007 6:27PM PST

hi guys
i am not a geek or a techno junkie but i really need to buy a new desk top and i wondered if you could give advice about the best deal and if Windows Vista is better than Windows XP which is what I have now. I use a EliteGroupLaptop ( 3 years old) G550 and it is fading fast. i live in Spain and in order to repair it has to go back to the dealers in the far east!!! therefore we need a new one - never a laptop again. can any one help? thanks

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from my experience, ...
Mar 8, 2007 11:39AM PST

Vista is a great operating system and works very fast. BUT..., you must run software specifically designed FOR Vista. This especially includes OEM hardware installation CD's. ...Look for the Vista design Logo on the front or side of the CD and/or hardware packing box. This, of course, assumes your new computer is a name brand PC with Vista already installed and ready to be run for the first time.

Don't attempt to install Vista yourself unless you're prepared to undergo a grueling over-the-phone license verification process.

>Trublu

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Well, how much good is that...
Mar 8, 2007 9:09PM PST

[quote]Vista is a great operating system and works very fast.[/quote]

Yeah... if you have a fast processor and 1GB of RAM. Otherwise, it's slower than slow molasses in winter. Last I looked, most home users had less than 1GB in RAM, quite a few even less than 512MB, and a lot of them had slow crappy P4s, cos they bought the Intel hype just like they have in the past and are buying now Microsoft's.

[quote]This, of course, assumes your new computer is a name brand PC with Vista already installed and ready to be run for the first time.[/quote]

Precisely. Shell out $$ not only for the new operating system, but for the hardware to run it on. A bit like having to buy a new car in order to be able to install a nice steering wheel or set of tyres.

[quote]Don't attempt to install Vista yourself unless you're prepared to undergo a grueling over-the-phone license verification process.[/quote]

And why should I be? I paid good money for the "license to use" the software, I should be able to use it on my machine if it meets the system requirements and if it's accordance with the license terms - which in themselves are a joke on the paying public.

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Research?.....Do some REAL research my friend!
Mar 8, 2007 8:40PM PST

Perhaps we should all look the other way when Microslut makes onerous demands on other eqipment vendors and attaches those demands to early access of it's code? Perhaps we should all just knuckle under to Microslut when THEY and only them decide it is time to "upgrade"?

Personally I am damn PROUD of the industry for "dragging their feet" when it comes to Gates and his merry band of pirates! We can only hope that they eventually drag him out and make him and his buggy OS walk the plank!

Wake up dude....you've been duped!

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LOL !!!!!!
Mar 9, 2007 2:27PM PST

Arrrgh mate. The Plank. Good thinking. I like your use of the term Microslut. Very true. It upsets me that they are selling this preinstalled in systems that are incapable of using this with any decent level of performance. I think that speaks volumes of Microslut and the entire industry as a whole. I build my own PCs, and will not use VISTA ever. Refer to the article, "Switching to LINUX". That will be my path from now on. I currently have enough XP compatible software to last through our current generation of technology. A BIG SUGGESTION for my MS hating friends out there; go to this website and download any utility that you may think you'll ever need. It is legit. www.thefreecountry.com It has lots of freeware that is very, very good and best of all XP compatible. This should get you through for a while.

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Now that's farfetched.
Mar 9, 2007 2:53PM PST

Blaming the OS because lame hardware manufacturers like emachines are installing it on inadequate hardware and bundling it with incompatible software? Get a grip!

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Mircosoft is a helpless bystander?
Mar 9, 2007 3:13PM PST

I wouldn't say it's farfetched. You probably have money so it's no big deal to you, but I have many friends co-workers and relatives who are not able to spend a great deal of money on things other than basic necessities. I'm sorry for those who are not tech savvy enough to understand that an emachine is crap. I'm sorry for those who go to a wally world and pick up an emachine with a "LICENSED" copy of VISTA ... ATTACHED to that exact HARDWARE CONFIG. When I build OEM, the activation numbers are an exact match to the HARDWARE that is one and the same as the PC, right from the motherboard on up the component list. NOW, print this, roll it up, and put it in your pipe. WHY? Because Mircosoft does not have to allow their software to be placed on any machine that they do not wish it to be placed on, hence the MS activation process.

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Addendum.
Mar 9, 2007 3:25PM PST

Igiveup2. Also, I would like to add that if you've ever struggled to make ends meet, and saved pennies to purchase something that was sold as a certain bill of goods, only to find that it doesn't work as advertised and you no longer have the funds to correct the issue or the tech savvyness to fix it, then you can understand why it is important to some folks that someone may just be concerned enough to watch their backs. You could call it a new type of security, like let's say, "Windows Defender", oh that's being used, ummm. A 54 billion dollar man could probably come up with a solution, oh he can't either, ummm. Well the c|net forums can help a little and here we are. By the way, I live in the communist state of Maine, and there is little money here but we care about each other.

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That's licensing certification, not an endorsement.
Mar 11, 2007 8:57AM PDT

Compatibility is still the manufacturer's responsibility. Sorry.

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You don't get it...obviously.
Mar 9, 2007 6:51PM PST

The point here is not that the machine vendors are doing this....get a clue. Here is an example-you decide how YOU would handle this:

Dell (pick a vendor) is presented with an ultimatum-pay when MS releases new OS, as of big release date pay $XX for each PC loaded the latest or pay $XX + $40 for loading it with old OS. Multiply by 1 million machines! What would you do?

Microslut has been PROVEN to do this kind of thing-what don't you get? It's not an "Alien conspiracy" -see later moronic post-it's a real and persistent problem! I for one choose to vote with my feet-I'll leave Vista to the sheeple.....

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I'm on your side in this.
Mar 9, 2007 8:41PM PST

Masterworx, I'm on your side in this debate. I was just pointing out one facet of the many cons associated with Microslut, as you call the giant.
Of all the ways that this new OS has impacted people, (friends, co-workers, and relatives) the idea that you can buy a machine with the latest and greatest OS in history, then unpack this new machine with great expectations, only to have it barely running, is a crime. It is criminal. This may be another thread but Igiveup2 posted elsewhere that if you want to support a monopoly then everyone buy Apple, because in that example there is only one machine builder, and the lack of competition is what creates a problem. Ummmm, Igiveup2, a question if I may. Where is Microsluts competition? Thanks in advance for your answer. +FORGIVEN+ I won't even address the moron with the aluminum helmet, because as long as he is okay, that's all that matters.

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Dell and IBM are still selling XP machines.
Mar 11, 2007 9:47AM PDT

Unless you know for a fact that XP OEM costs $40 more than Vista OEM, you're just sucking things out of your thumb. Dell is also developing support for Linux/Unix. Is MS forcing them to do that, too?

Competition is good. It will be interesting to see if Linux makes a run on MS's dominance. I wish Linux users well and I may become one someday. But for now, the Vista that came with my laptop is just fine and I see no reason to choose an OS just to be "politically correct" any more than I see a reason for satisfied XP users to switch.

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Ill keep this simple.
Mar 11, 2007 4:28PM PDT

You say, "competition". Then you say, "politically correct". ?????
You have a choice as you are an advanced PC user. Novices, and newbies don't have a choice because they don't even know LINUX exists. They know Apple exists as competition, but as you say, "ONE machine maker is not good for competition". So why can't we at least say something negative about VISTA. If anyone is trying to censure it's you. We have objections to the largest business in the history of mankind, and then we get told by you to "get a grip".? WOW.

Last post, not wasting my time with Igiveup2, because he doesn't give up.

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(NT) Go ahead and be negative, but at least be factual.
Mar 13, 2007 6:37PM PDT
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Yes it's a big conspiracy, masterworx!
Mar 9, 2007 2:31PM PST

And to protect myself, whenever I'm using my Vista OS I'll wear a tinfoil helmet to keep Bill Gates from beaming mind control radio signals into my brain! Everybody should do that! Have you got yours? Resist! Join the rebellion of the vendors! Lagging on compatibility and alienating their customer base is a great way to teach Bad Billy Boy a lesson!

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Its not heavy!
Mar 8, 2007 10:09PM PST

im running vista on my PC with P4, 3GHz, 512 RAM and its running as smooth as XP does... Happy im using it with multimedia applications with ease.. though compatibility issue still persists that i agree, otherwise its cool..

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I'm going to agree
Mar 8, 2007 10:43PM PST

I have 2.8ghz, 1mb and I had a smooth instalation. I like it so much on my desktop, i'm going to buy a new laptop so that it can run Vista. I have run several operating systems in the past, such as Red Hat, BeOS, Ect. This is one of the best. since it's similar, to OS10 I like it more. Cheaper than buying a Mac, same user freindly enviroment. I deal with numbers all day long and type all day long; when i come home i want to boot my computer, play my game, talk to freinds, ect. in a nice GUI enviroment that is pleasing to the eye and not prone to failure, which i have not had any trouble with it so far.

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1mb???
Mar 9, 2007 2:36PM PST

What are you talking about? You didn't say what processor, just the speed. You also can't buy 1mb of anything. If you are not going to give proper specs, then don't disagree with someone who gave precise specs. You do not know what you are talking about and lack true passion on the subject as well.

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Probably meant 1 GB.
Mar 13, 2007 6:34PM PDT

Enjoy your intellectual triumph. And they were agreeing, not disagreeing. If you want passion, go to the opera. We're just trying to figure stuff out here.

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1 GB seems OK for most.
Mar 13, 2007 6:28PM PDT

After paring down the startup programs, RAM use is less than 750MB on the web. Google Desktop is a RAM hog that duplicates a lot of Vista features.

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You're Confusing
Mar 8, 2007 11:48PM PST

That fact that you put the caps lock on, and that there are mis-spelled words throughout your posting, indicates that you were most likely ticked off when writing it. I have to ask myself what are you so mad about? I had to read it several times to make any sense out of it.
On the one hand you tell people to cut Vista and Microsoft a little slack because all O.S.'s have "bugs" to work out.
Then you start in on the problems you have had with Vista vs your own computer!
Here's the bottom line:
Vista...it's all a bunch of HYPE, therefore, I don't see any need to "upgrade" my computer. If pouring more money into the pockets of Bill Gates and hardware/software companys just to make it ready for the great Vista O.S. is what you want to do than go for it!
I don't see any need for it.

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re: HEY EVERYONE LISTEN UP ABOUT WINDOWS VISTA
Mar 8, 2007 11:51PM PST

I beta tested Vista last year; I looked at it from a consumer's perspective(which wasn't hard, being a 'consumer' myself Wink ). My philosophy is- "what can this product DO for me? What can it DO more of, or BETTER than the product I am now using? Is the product sufficiently superior such that I would be motivated to pay $$ for it, and use it in favor of the product I am currently using? First, I must say that the drivers included in Vista correctly ran all my hardware. I did not have a printer hooked to this machine but using my networked printer on another machine was not a problem. I found it a bit annoying that all the familiar pathways in the o/s had been re-arranged...kind of like when a supermarket gets a new assistant manager that wants to make a name for himself, and shuffles the products all around the store, from where the customer is familiar. The enchanced 'security' features are familiar to those that run Linux desktops; having to login as Admin to make certain changes is not a bad idea, but I'm sure it would be irritating to the typical Windows user that's used to the "wide-open" permissions of previous MS products. I did not test Internet Explorer or Outlook Express(I know, bad bad beta tester!) since I had been using Firefox browser and Thunderbird email client for the last 3 years...3 years of being trojan free, virus free and hijack free.
My Vista impression? Well, I thank MS for the opportunity to evaluate their new product. However, for the foreseeable future it appears that XP will fulfill my Windows needs adequately. Perhaps if one were tied to a particular financial or graphics application that's only ported to Windows, then Vista would be 'mandatory'. I have no such needs, personally. Being a "hardware enthusist", the need for increased system memory and higher-end graphics card to properly benefit from using Vista does not present a problem for me; just the thought of being 'forced-to' does. My personal preference is for a "leaner-and-meaner" operating system, which is why I am migrating from Windows to linux, and now am using FreeBSD 6.2 on one of my machines, and finding it to be not-so intimidating as some might have thought it to be.

/off topic/
I hope Steve Ballmer's motivation for the MS-Novell pact is to 'reach-out-and-join-hands' with the rest of the Community, rather than aspire to further dominance.

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Absence of early adopters in supporting Microsoft Vista
Mar 9, 2007 12:40AM PST

I have an all-in-one printer hooked up to a Microsoft Vista PC. After installing the Vista, I found the vendor-provided software did not work. I went to the company's website and found a warm greeting telling me the workarounds until a solution could be provided. A little more digging found a press release informing me that the vendor had proudly been working with Microsoft for 2 years during the development of Vista. I'm wondering, "What can be done in a few months that hasn't been done in 2 years?"

I love Vista, but I am going to wait to install it on my other computers until I see where the aftermarket support leads me.

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still have xps, twonew ones are vista
Mar 9, 2007 1:40AM PST

Had to replace two older computers one laptop, one desktop. Bought the new ones with Vista home premuium, dual core two, 1 gb ram. They run fine. Probably will increase ram later. Had a problem with new canon printer when installing them because the disk with printer didn't accomodate vista but it directed me to canon web site for vista software installation and the printers work fine now.
A real problem that is out there is some of the inter security software folks don't have anything for vista! It's still all for XP. They have known for awhile that this was coming and they haven't published hardly any info. Tread carefully in this area. So does that mean I have to go with One Care? I don't want to but may have to for temporary protection until the other folks get it out because i need protection NOW. So if you can, wait a while to purchase.. But Vista looks ok for us way behind the leading edge type folks. Or else go to Apple.? But there are just too many complications for us with apple for interfacing with other systems. Good Luck.