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Here are the facts of what will happen

Apr 11, 2020 3:58AM PDT

Some are saying this virus 'may' be seasonal and another wave will come in the fall. In reality, that second wave will come no matter what because the entire country got locked down. Too many people have been isolated and never got exposed to something they might have been able to become immune to. Once you begin opening up the businesses, those people will now get infected from 'hangers on' since not everyone will be free of it, and the spread will start again.

Who do you think will get blamed for opening the country up 'too soon'?

Wait for a vaccine like some want (up to 18 months) and watch the country's economy kill us or open it up and have more deaths and have that be a liberal political 'outrage'......… a no win situation politically no matter which way you go at this point. It also doesn't seem to matter to the media that most of those who die did not die BECAUSE of the virus but because they happen to GET the virus at the same they were already battling severe illnesses that caused their immune systems to be compromised. There are NO stats that show how many have ACTUALLY died from the virus itself....and I believe that's being done deliberately.

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re:Who do you think will get blamed for opening the country
Apr 11, 2020 5:00AM PDT
Who do you think will get blamed for opening the country up 'too soon'?


Your question should be,

Who do you think will NOT accept responsibility for the consequences of opening up the country "too soon"?

My response would be Donald J Trump, even though HE made the statement that opening the country would be the biggest decision he has ever made

REa no win situation politically no matter which way you go at this point

IF it works out...take the credit

IF it doesn't.....take the blame

THAT's how you WIN/cut your loses. It seems like TheRUMP has the metrics in HIS head (according to him) and doesn't need ANY advice....from his "advisers"....so HE is already off to a bad start.
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Since it appears you didn't bother
Apr 11, 2020 5:20AM PDT

to respond to what I said, I'll let you know that there won't be any 'credit' to take by anybody.

IF he doesn't allow the country to open up (it's actually not up to him, but rather the State and local governments would be making that decision), he'll get blamed WHEN the second wave hits for 'not being prepared for it' because 'experts' will say it's a 'seasonal' virus. IF he does promote opening up the country and that second wave hits due to people not being exposed to it ahead of time in order to build up a resistance or immunity to it, he'll get blamed for that, too.

THAT's the no-win situation...…..do you agree? Do YOU believe that the State and local governments are the ones who will look at their State and local situations and decide 'yes' or 'no', but never take the hit Trump will take?

And, in my personal opinion, he should get rid of the 'expert' he has on that stage giving out crap information (Fauci) because he is biased based on his own 'expertise'. It's been obvious from the beginning, but because he is supposedly an 'expert' on epidemics that are viral, he is giving bad advice as far as I'm concerned and should know better. He has never advocated for an entire country's shut down before as an expert in his field around the globe and cannot understand for the life of me why he is advocating for total isolation and did from the start.

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RE: (it's actually not up to him,
Apr 11, 2020 5:55AM PDT

I suggest YOU go to HIS Twitterfeed and sent the Twerp a Tweet because HE is working on the assumption that

Coronavirus government response updates: 'Biggest decision of my life,' Trump says, about reopening country

When asked about his thought process for reopening the country, Trump acknowledged that he can listen to dozens of experts, but ultimately, the decision lies with him.

The metrics right here,” he said, pointing to his head. That's my metrics. That's all I can do. I can listen to 35 people. At the end, I've got to make a decision," he said.

"I will have to make a decision, and I only hope to God it is the right decision. But I would say without question, it is the biggest decision I'll have ever had to make," he said.

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He'll make the decision
Apr 11, 2020 7:33AM PDT

to encourage the governors and local authorities to check their areas and start openings....but it will be ultimately up to those people since they are the ones who issued the shut down order to begin with. It was never a direct or executive order by him to shut down businesses, but his encouragement will be seen as one by the media and blame him when it goes south again. The decision about whether to encourage that WILL be the biggest decision he'll make...he's right about that.

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RE: to encourage
Apr 11, 2020 8:11AM PDT

So when HE says HE will make the decision "to reopen the country"...HE is not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

HE is making the decision on whether "to encourage" others to reopen the country"?

It's up to "the other guy"...IF/WHEN it goes "Pear shaped"...It's "their fault"?

To go pear-shaped means to go wrong, to fail miserably, to go awry in a terrible fashion.

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You're chasing your
Apr 11, 2020 9:05AM PDT

one foot that is nailed to the floor, JP.

He couldn't tell the governors or local officials to shut down their state and he cannot tell them now to reopen it. He never even encouraged them to shut them down....that came from people like Fauci. He CAN encourage those officials to reopen and that's the decision he has to make....and go against Fauci, I guess.....but it's entirely up to those State and local officials to jump or not jump.

No matter what, the liberal media will blame HIM and not those officials when that wave hits because it WILL....

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RE:No matter what, the liberal media will blame HIM and not
Apr 11, 2020 8:39PM PDT
No matter what, the liberal media will blame HIM and not those officials when that wave hits because it WILL....

If HE knew what YOU claim to know...HE would have the good sense to not go around making statements like
HE will make the decision "to reopen the country".

Here's another term I give you permission to use

Plausible deniability is the ability of people (typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command) to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were ...
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RE:You're chasing your one foot
Apr 12, 2020 7:28AM PDT
You're chasing your one foot that is nailed to the floor, JP.


Shouldn't be hard to catch..it's "nailed down"

That's a new one for me...never heard that before....someone chasing their own tail....I've heard that before...I've yet to meet someone with a tail.....perhaps after I croak. they'll probably have a set of horns also. Devil

I know it's hard/difficult/impossible to "move forward" with one foot nailed to the floor.
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RE: (Fauci)because he is biased based on his own 'expertise'
Apr 11, 2020 7:23AM PDT
(Fauci)because he is biased based on his own 'expertise'

At least he is basing HIS on some expertise....

What "expertise" does an ordinary citizen have?... a "gut feeling"?

A feeling about which individual will get "blamed"?

That's your priority?....No concern about the consequences of opening the country too soon?

RE:He has never advocated for an entire country's shut down before as an expert in his field

AND? IF something never happened before...it can't happen for the first time?

You've never heard of "a first kiss"?

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If this is so boring to you
Apr 11, 2020 7:38AM PDT

why keep responding?

Do you agree that the second wave will come no matter what is done? If it's seasonal and every one is still locked down, it will come. If businesses open and it hits again, is it BECAUSE of the lockdown that happened?

All I'm saying is that it WILL come no matter what but should the businesses close permanently because they have no hope to recover and over 10M people stay out of work?

What do YOU think? You already know where I stand on this topic.

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That Fauci statement caught me, too.
Apr 11, 2020 9:14PM PDT

Something out of SNL, maybe.

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(NT) So, 8 plus ) = Mr Cool. Who knew?
Apr 11, 2020 6:47PM PDT
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RE: facts of what will happen
Apr 11, 2020 7:29AM PDT

In my opinion...there are NO "facts" UNTIL something happens....

The definition of a fact is something that is true or something that has occurred or has been proven correct.

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So you don't
Apr 11, 2020 7:40AM PDT

believe the second wave IS coming no matter what?

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Do YOU believe that
Apr 11, 2020 7:48AM PDT

IF/WHEN the second wave comes it will be drastically reduced by NOT reopening the country UNTIL the second wave has come and gone?

IF it's even possible to do something in the future.

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So....
Apr 11, 2020 9:00AM PDT

within your babble, you are saying you believe that there will be a second wave BEFORE ANOTHER second wave comes, but that the second second wave will be drastically reduced because the second wave already hit before the country was reopened?

Are you suggesting then that the country should NOT reopen UNTIL that second wave hits (not the second second wave)…..and when do you think that will be exactly? Will it be a seasonal one in the fall like some are predicting.....then reopen the country and have the second second wave come with reduced deaths?

And if it IS a seasonal one with people still on lockdown because the country hasn't opened up yet, WHO will be spreading it and causing deaths at that point? And to where once that is over with and the country opens up and another second wave comes from people again out in public, you believe there will be a drastic reduction in deaths....who would be infecting them at that point do you think?

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RE:Are you suggesting then
Apr 11, 2020 11:41AM PDT

What I am suggesting is...actually i'm not "suggesting"...I'm "stating" what I saw and heard.

When asked about his thought process for reopening the country, Trump acknowledged that he can listen to dozens of experts, but ultimately, the decision lies with him.

“The metrics right here,” he said, pointing to his head. That's my metrics. That's all I can do. I can listen to 35 people. At the end, I've got to make a decision," he said.

"I will have to make a decision, and I only hope to God it is the right decision. But I would say without question, it is the biggest decision I'll have ever had to make," he said.

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RE:but that the second second wave
Apr 11, 2020 12:51PM PDT

First wave.......Second wave.....Third wave....that;s how I roll/count

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I myself just learned that there were three in 1918/1919.
Apr 11, 2020 9:23PM PDT

First was "seasonal flu", they thought.
Second was "pale horse, pale rider".
Third was barely noticeable.

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RE: those who die did not die BECAUSE of the virus
Apr 11, 2020 1:23PM PDT
those who die did not die BECAUSE of the virus but because they happen to GET the virus at the same they were already battling severe illnesses

Here's another one you can use TONI

The idiom "the straw that broke the camel's back", alluding to the proverb "it is the last straw that breaks the camel's back", describes the seemingly minor or routine action that causes an unpredictably large and sudden reaction, because of the cumulative effect of small actions.

YOU can't deny, well you can, but you shouldn't deny that Covid is a major factor in the death.

IF they didn't get Covid 19...there would not have been the pressure on the medial resources.

So, I'm saying it's because of Covid 19

IF it wasn't Covid 19...then you explain what "changed" other than Covid 19?

WHY the increase in deaths?

Coincidence?...I think not.
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When a subject line of yours says 'fact' I know it's time
Apr 11, 2020 5:54PM PDT

to address the errors.

From AP today. Start with boilerplate.
"For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia and death. The vast majority of people recover."
Notice "pneumonia". Many say that may be the leading cause of all deaths, worldwide. It's the end stage of many diseases, and has other causative agents as well- poverty, for example. Any competent M.E. knows that, and would try to list at least one other cause- if he knew it. In the midst of a pandemic in which accurate diagnostics are in short supply he won't test for novel C. And those on burial detail (cf. Philly 191Cool won't test then or exhume later.
More boilerplate.
"according to the [death toll] tally kept by Johns Hopkins University."
That line has appeared in most stories from the MSM since there were nine deaths in the US. Relevant because the Hopkins has a virus tracking record over 100 years old.
That responds to your "There are NO stats that show how many have ACTUALLY died from the virus itself....and I believe that's being done deliberately."
As noted above, the stats are a work in progress. But Hopkins and the media and Dr Fauci and I (!) are correct that there is an often fatal disease called COVID-19 riding the earth. One item of proof is the shortage of ventilators. Not because of Red or Blue, but because of an ongoing spike in pneumonia cases. As outlined above, it's a common end stage of COVID.
The stats are being promulgated "deliberately" by hard-working scientists and journalists to identify the enemy more accurately.
Be careful about disparaging Dr Fauci. Almost everyone loves him, and Trump pretends he does too.

Finally- and you can take this as Gospel. Sorry, gospel. There is no deep state of the kind your sources worry about. There is one, but it's worldwide, beyond our control or ability to fight. It does have a "good guy" opposing it, who has given us a book of instructions to that effect. One key point, involving conspiracy and fake news, is at Jeremiah 23, esp. v. 27. You won't read it, but James is an expert on the KJV, and that's where to start. He can 'splain it.

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When a subject line of yours says 'fact'
Apr 11, 2020 6:31PM PDT

I know it's time to look for the errors.

From AP today. Start with boilerplate.
"For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia and death. The vast majority of people recover."
Notice "pneumonia". Many say that may be the leading cause of all deaths, worldwide. It's the end stage of many diseases- like the Spanish flu and the Black Dearh- and has other causative agents as well- poverty, for example. Any competent M.E. knows that, and would try to list at least one other cause- if he knew it. In the midst of a pandemic in which accurate test kits are in short supply he won't test a corpse for novel C. And those on burial detail (cf. Philly 191Cool won't test then or exhume later.

More boilerplate.
"... according to the [death toll] tally kept by Johns Hopkins University."
That line has appeared in most stories from the MSM since there were nine deaths in the US. The Hopkins has been following and treating viruses for over a hundred years.
That responds to your "There are NO stats that show how many have ACTUALLY died from the virus itself....and I believe that's being done deliberately."
As noted above, the stats are a work in progress. But Hopkins and the media and Dr Fauci and I (!) are correct in concluding that there is an often fatal disease called COVID-19 riding the earth. One item of proof is the shortage of ventilators. Not because of Red or Blue or a spike in flu-related pneumonia but because of an ongoing spike in over all pneumonia cases. As outlined above, it's a common end stage of COVID.
The stats are being promulgated "deliberately" by hard-working scientists and journalists to identify the enemy more accurately.
Be careful about disparaging Dr Fauci. Almost everyone loves him, and Trump pretends he does too.

Finally- and you can take this as Gospel. Sorry, gospel. There is no Deep State of the kind your sources worry about. There is one, but it's worldwide, of very long standing, and beyond our control or ability to fight. John 8:44. It does have a "good guy" opposing it, who has given us a book of instructions to that effect. One key point, involving both conspiracy and fake news, is at Jeremiah 23, esp. v. 27. You won't read it, but James is an expert on the KJV, and that's where to start. He can 'splain it.

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(NT) So, 8 plus ) = Mr Cool. Who knew?
Apr 11, 2020 6:33PM PDT
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(NT) Sorry for the double post.
Apr 11, 2020 6:51PM PDT
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Here's a story just in, about a real "Dr House".
Apr 11, 2020 6:54PM PDT
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General comment.
Apr 11, 2020 9:20PM PDT

Remember when we used to say 'The world is getting smaller.'?
And thought it was just a proverbial phrase?

Silver lining. New Delhi's air pollution has dropped by about half. To send your kid to the store for milk, you had to give him a machete to cut his way through the atmosphere.

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A fact of what did happen, from AP.
Apr 12, 2020 1:56PM PDT

"It has rewritten the rules of society, isolated people in their homes, closed schools, devastated the economy and put millions out of work."
Note that "it", not "he" or "they". That's a fact.

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Nope....we've had
Apr 15, 2020 5:33AM PDT

epidemics/pandemics before and never had IT change the world (except for maybe the bubonic plague)….these were ALL decisions made by politicians and were and are still unnecessary. Some facts for you since you like them...

Deaths from 2018 CDC stats in the USA alone:
Drug OD 67,000
Suicide 50,000
Alcohol 88,000
Diabetes 83,000
Cancer 606,000
(no mention of auto deaths)

Three days ago re: COVID-19 over a period from late January to now:

587,752 confirmed cases..... 23,765 deaths.....= .04% of the entire population.

Worldwide: 1,920,918 confirmed cases... 119,686 deaths...= .06%

For one third of drug od's, and about a fourth of the alcohol related deaths, we closed an entire country. For far less than that worldwide, we shut down the world.

Even with God wiping out the entire world at one time, the last humans on that ark got 'back to work' in 40 days. It's time we did the same over something that never should have happened in the first place except politicians all across the globe panicked and made sure the people they held court over did, too.

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An impressive list.
Apr 15, 2020 9:34AM PDT

Not one element of which can be helped by any shutdowns.
Back on topic. Epidemicd are always eased by quarantines, of at least the house with the ill family.
Auto deaths are/will be down. Collateral help.
Where are the gun deaths? Oh, that's right. The lobby for that "essential business" doesn't want the CDC to study that.

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RE:For one third of drug od's, and about a fourth of the
Apr 15, 2020 12:21PM PDT
For one third of drug od's, and about a fourth of the alcohol related deaths, we closed an entire country.

Drug od's? .......The "drugs" were usually "self injected or swallowed".....Not many IF any get a "drug overdose" unless the other individual was trying to commit MURDER..

alcohol related deaths?,...I can't recall hearing of anyone pouring alcohol down someone else"s throat.

Both of your "examples" are self-inflicted...Unlike Covid 19....got examples willingly getting Covid 19?