Once in a while folk ask for battery times that are something we may see in the years to come and that's the end of the search.

I see battery time on the models but not what you expect under what condition. For example that 16 hour battery usually comes in at under 2 hours while gaming. The last few members didn't think that was good enough.

But the two models you listed should game well anyway and meet the usual needs of 2D CAD and gaming.