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Help Kerry doesn't need, from his old compatriot, Jane

Feb 12, 2004 3:19AM PST

' "This was an organization of men who risked their lives in Vietnam, who considered themselves totally patriotic," Fonda said of Kerry's antiwar group.

Fonda also dismissed attempts to link Kerry to her controversial antiwar past with the photograph as "a dirty black propaganda tactic." '

Jane defends Kerry

Sometimes you just wish people wouldn't try to help don't ya?

roger

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He said he threw someone else's medals?
Feb 13, 2004 1:21AM PST

That would be rich.

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Since you didn't post a link, I have found one:
Feb 13, 2004 2:42AM PST
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/k/kerry.htm

From the "truth" section:

The 1988 issue of Current Biography Yearbook says that Kerry explained that the medals were not his but those of another veteran who asked him to throw them on his behalf.

Critics of John Kerry say he either created a false impression by throwing the borrowed medals or spent a long time letting a false impression remain before he admitted that he still had his medals. Defenders say Kerry never misrepresented the medals because he did not claim that they were his and openly displays them in his office.


So:

1. His medals did not "mysteriously" reappear as you suggested earlier, since they were never gone.

2. His version of what happened should be easy enough to verify if it comes to that.
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Try this account, Josh...
Feb 13, 2004 3:25AM PST

Try this account, Josh:
"Kerry, who understood well the importance that the media placed on imagery, put an exclamation mark on [a 1971 anti-Vietnam protest] by lining up with veterans to return their medals to the military on April 23. Kerry said he suggested that veterans place their medals and ribbons on a table and return them. But he said other members of the antiwar veterans group wanted to throw the medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the Capitol, and Kerry went along with the idea. ? Some press reports say that Kerry 'threw his medals.' But Kerry has long maintained he threw his own ribbons but someone else's medals. In an interview, he said that he had previously met two veterans ? who had asked Kerry to return their medals to the military. Kerry said he stuffed them into his jacket. He said that when he prepared to throw his ribbons over the fence, he reached into his jacket and pulled out the medals from those two veterans. He said his own medals remained in safekeeping" (Boston Globe, June 17, 2003).
Hummm... I wonder if those people who asked him to "return their medals to the military" wanted to do so in that way.

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As I said, the truth should be easy enough to suss out.....
Feb 13, 2004 3:29AM PST

....as long as those two veterans are still around to give their side of it.

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See the problem now, Josh...
Feb 13, 2004 3:36AM PST

See the "problem" now? Your post said, "The 1988 issue of Current Biography Yearbook says that Kerry explained that the medals were not his but those of another veteran who asked him to throw them on his behalf".
But Josh, if the original plan was to place them on a table, how could those other people have told him to throw them over the fence, as that idea came up later, when he already had them in his pocket?

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Medals and Ribbons are not worn on Fatigues. (nt)
Feb 13, 2004 1:57AM PST

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Finally, James...
Feb 13, 2004 2:42AM PST
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I get your point now,...
Feb 13, 2004 3:21AM PST

...but when I read it the first time all I could think about was what seemed an obvious mistake, without realizing you were pointing out the same.

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Is this the photo you're talking about at Kerry's site?
Feb 13, 2004 3:27AM PST
http://www.johnkerry.com/images/photos/photo_bio_4.gif

It's cropped so only his face is showing. So what? Right above that picture is the following text:

A graduate of Yale University, John Kerry entered the Navy after graduation, becoming a Swift Boat officer, serving on a gunboat in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.

So what exactly do you think he's going to some deliberate effort to conceal?
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didn't see the picture but they are worn on fatigues if ...
Feb 13, 2004 3:02AM PST

that was the uniform worn during the presentation.

After the presentation they are naturally only worn on the class A and B and of course dress uniforms.