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Headphone amplification

May 14, 2014 2:58AM PDT

I have a set of these speakers which I think are great for my desktop computers,=> http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMedia-Certified-Computer-Speaker/dp/B000062VUO/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400085871&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=klipsch+spreakers

What happens though is when using the attached headphone jack, there's a LOT of static and also when I use my mouse , scrolling and such, I hear scrolling through my headphones, (several pairs) , That's annoying as can be! This doesn't occur while listening to the speakers.

I thought maybe this was a Linux problem but Windows does this too. Two different computers running the same speakers through a KVM switch .

I tried each computer independently without the KVM and speakers plugged into the audio out of each and the same thing happens . This is buggin' me man!

Do I need a dedicated Headphone amplifier to get rid of this noise from the mouse?

Digger

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Here's an update
May 16, 2014 6:27AM PDT

and I'm finding this curious but interesting ( I'm easily entertained)
First I purchased a bunch of ferrite clamps and put them on every audio cable right next to the beads on the already on the cables and you guy's are right, it didn't change anything. I even clamped a few right on the headphone cable.

But curiosity got the best of me AGAIN . Confused

Since that noise only happens with the headphones plugged into the speakers ( it doesn't happen with the speakers themselves or plugged into the either computers front headphone jack) .
I ran the audio out on both computers through the Onkyo stereo receiver and it didn't happen there either Cool It sounds freakin' awesome and That just spoiled the begeezers outta me but I can't have this big a$$ amp sitting here like that , kinna' running low on space .

I started looking at headphone amplifiers and man! You can spend thousands on them ! I looked at a bunch and found this one for a pretty fair price and it has pretty good reviews so I ordered one.
Have a look => http://www.amazon.com/HiFiMAN-EF2A-HIFIMAN-EF-2A-HEADPHONE/dp/B004357WL8/ref=sr_1_10?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1399932412&sr=1-10&keywords=computer+headphone+amplifier

we'll see how this turns out . I might have to Roll Some Tubes but that'll be another story

Digger

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Update to the update
May 19, 2014 4:15AM PDT

Started using the Hifiman amp today and the mouse doesn't make any noise here either Cool , so the problem lies exclusively with the headphone jacks on the speakers (weird huh?). I don't get it but there it is. Confused

So I'm calling this issue closed.

Thanks Guy's

Digger

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Impedance?
May 19, 2014 4:25AM PDT

"If you correctly match the impedance of 2 pieces of gear that share an circuit of electrons, those electrons will ideally conform to intended signal the and not create unwanted noise. Likewise, if you mismatch impedance in a circuit, you may be creating an extra layer of noise."
http://tweakheadz.com/impedance-for-musicians/

There's also the side issue that those cables may be just the right length to receive the noise just like an antenna.
Bob

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If these Speaker wires
May 19, 2014 4:46AM PDT

are acting like an antenna wouldn't I hear it over the speakers too? Not just the headphones.
Hmmm, more homework Grin

Digger

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For an antenna to work
May 19, 2014 4:55AM PDT

The impedance at the ends must be just so. Since one setup is unlike the other, the results change.

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Ok
May 19, 2014 5:19AM PDT

I do get it . That actually makes sense to me Laugh

Thanks.....Digger

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If you got extra money laying around
May 19, 2014 4:37AM PDT

You can try those clip on EMI/RFI noise suppressors. You'd put on on your mouse cable and the one to your speaker set. Clip them in your hair if you like too. I don't know how well they work but cables that come with these cost a lot more than those that don't.

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Tried that Steve
May 19, 2014 4:43AM PDT

I have Ferrite Clamps comin' out of my ears now lol. Don't you have these same speakers? Any mouse noise from headphones? Not speakers, just when you use the headphone jacks on the speakers.

Digger

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(NT) Oh...I see now. I didn't read the whole thread
May 19, 2014 9:57AM PDT
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forgot to mention
May 14, 2014 3:05AM PDT

that I've tried 3 different mouse's (Mice?)

Digger

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It's an old issue.
May 14, 2014 3:10AM PDT
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that's an interesting thread
May 14, 2014 3:51AM PDT

The weird thing is that this doesn't happen on either computer when I plug into the front headphone jack. Only when the headphones are plugged into the speakers, unless maybe it is happening but the volume using the front jacks isn't high enough to hear the noise.

These headphones have a 45mm magnet in them so it takes some ummph to get these things really thumping.

For a test, I think I'll plug the audio outs from the computers into an Onkyo stereo receiver I have and plug the headphones into that to see if it still happens, that would tell me if it's the amplified headphone jack from the Klipsch speakers.

If I need to I'll buy a sound card for each computer and install them internally.

Digger

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Let's play with a ferrite loop for fun.
May 14, 2014 3:59AM PDT

I don't know what you have but look around for any ferrite loop like this one.
http://www.adamsmagnetic.com/images/Adams_toroids.jpg

Now pass the audio out cable through that and loop it through 3 or more times. Without a spectrum analyzer or such I try 3 to 10 times (more specific, 3,5,7,10) and see if that kills what is being picked up.

Alternatively, and in a pinch I've had rare success by simply making a knot in the cord. The idea is that high frequencies can't pass. Remember that rarely works but in the field you learn to give it a try before heading back to the shop/office.
Bob

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When we built these
May 14, 2014 6:09AM PDT
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If onboard audio usually it's in that area.
May 14, 2014 6:23AM PDT
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hehe
May 14, 2014 6:30AM PDT

gee thanks Grin

Digger

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I agree...
May 15, 2014 10:38PM PDT

I read the thread and dealt with this problem as well over the yrs. I found that these simple build PCs are bound to have issues because in audio you have "real time" effect and your ear can pick it up. The PC is simple when it comes to audio and all the circuits are low-amp/voltage and the circuits still pick-up the same freqs that RF around any circuit, etc.. You got all that "exposed" circuitry on the mtrbd. and anything else isn't on the hi-quality side, so you can pick-up unfiltered or non-squelched noise. if you've seen hi-end audio like in recording studios or anything where audio is "prime $" maker, effort is made to reduce all this. Enuff' said, but yeah its a known issue. Sometimes if card based, move to another slot, if mtrbd., oops, can try to clean up, maybe the ferrite clamp will help on routing cables. It's hard to fix on a mtrbd. itself, especially is you don't have the schematics, etc. and anything is huge to SMC type circuits. Further, if you got earmuffs that have that big of an magnet, then you say it handles huge audio inputs, then you have to crank it up abit to get it going, may not be a good match. Sometimes, I think audio is a PITA once you truly get into high quality side of things. Since, you deal with this you must see pricing on non-PC setups aren't cheap so adding a PC in the mix maybe a downgrade, excluding PC computing side. Audio to me has always been analog and digital while good or even decent is another mix of issues that has to be dealt with.

tada -----Willy Happy