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He's AWOL (again/still) but he's not hiding.

by JP Bill / November 24, 2006 12:56 PM PST
U.S. soldier who fled to Alberta helps New Orleans

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - A U.S. army soldier who fled to Alberta, rather than return to Iraq, spent Thanksgiving week gutting houses flooded more than a year ago by hurricane Katrina.

"There are so many engineering units of the U.S. military - they should be here and not Iraq," Pte. Kyle Snyder, 23, of Colorado Springs, Colo., said Friday.

Snyder turned himself in Oct. 31, after his lawyer said he had reached a deal to have Snyder processed back into the army at Fort Knox and be discharged without a court martial. However, he went AWL again a day later. Lawyer James Fennerty of Chicago said the army wanted to send Snyder back to his original unit at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., where commanders would determine his future.

"Legally, I'm AWOL again. My lawyer has tried to contact Fort Leonard Wood like 75 times - it's documented, 75 times - and tried to get in touch with the military. They've avoided this entire subject," Snyder said.

Mike Alley, a public affairs officer at Fort Leonard Wood, said Snyder never arrived at Fort Leonard Wood. He directed calls to the public affairs office at Fort Knox, where nobody answered the phone Friday.

Snyder said the military doesn't chase down people who are absent without leave.
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(NT) sooner or later these cowards get caught
by Mark5019 / November 24, 2006 1:13 PM PST
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Not at all a coward, Mark.
by SE Moderators / November 25, 2006 2:54 AM PST

You and most here don't agree with him, but he clearly has the courage of his convictions. And the country could do a lot worse than have him serve out the rest of his agreed term helping to rebuild New Orleans, as has been promised but not fully delivered. That's certainly a much more productive use of his time for all concerned than having him make big rocks into little rocks, as is suggested further down the thread. Furthermore, if you folks don't think building houses in the heat and humidity of a New Orleans summer (down the line timewise, obviously) counts as "hard labor," then you aren't familiar with the Gulf Coast!

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All true, but ...
by Bill Osler / November 25, 2006 3:22 AM PST

Assuming that the refusal to return to Iraq is a form of conscience-driven civil disobedience (the most charitable interpretation of his actions) the refusal is still a criminal act. It may also be a courageous and honorable act, depending on circumstance.

Still, whether he is courageous or honorable (or not) is hardly the main point. He is violating the law. I'm not sure it is wise to start letting criminals choose their own sentences.

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At least he's a quitter, and self-absorbed.
by Angeline Booher / November 25, 2006 3:38 AM PST

He didn't even finish the Katrina rebuilding job.

Through the entire events he has behaved without regard for keeping his commitments. IMO, the Army has bent over backwards to accommodate him, which he shuns,

I see no matter of conscience here. He didn't want to return to Iraq, he didn't want to finish his Katrina work, he didn't want to report to the Army. He even disregarded his lawyer's advice. He is a person who does what he wants to do when he wants to do it. The world revolves around him.

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I somehow missed that he didn't finish the
by SE Moderators / November 25, 2006 12:27 PM PST

Katrina work, Angeline -- that makes a big difference to the last half of my post...

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but unfortuneatly dk
by Mark5019 / November 26, 2006 4:11 AM PST

when you volunter to join the service you cant oick and choose where and what you will do or not.
mans a coward i wouldnt have him break rocks id exicute him but thats just me a vet who didnt run away

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How many years were you on the front lines?
by Diana Forum moderator / November 26, 2006 6:17 AM PST
In reply to: but unfortuneatly dk

No slam - just curious. This kid served a year and thought it was over. Many people are upset with the back-door draft.


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Not Mark, But...........
by Glenda / November 26, 2006 6:39 AM PST

He served two terms VN

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That had to be hell on wheels
by Diana Forum moderator / November 26, 2006 6:49 AM PST

I knew a lot of guys that went and came back from VietNam.

My cousin also served two tours there. I remember him saying that he would wake up in the middle of the night and head for the ditches. It happened often enough that there would be incoming after he woke up (he was a real sleeper) that he didn't question it.

Another friend got a creepy feeling while he was on patrol and told his commander that he wanted to go back and was told that the only way he was leaving was without his helmet and gun. He left and his whole platoon was wiped out.


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and i had and have nightmares
by Mark5019 / November 26, 2006 9:38 AM PST

but i didnt run.

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i did 2 tours of 1 yrear each
by Mark5019 / November 26, 2006 9:36 AM PST

and when i voluntereed to join up i didnt say id go here or there.
when you join you go where ordered.
not like some think you can choose.
mans a coward

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by caktus / November 28, 2006 5:44 PM PST

Where was the "courage of his convictions"
When he swore an oath to serve?

Where was the "courage of his convictions" the first time he was ordered to Iraq?

Why did he suddenly duck out on his Oath to serve?

Why would he cause an other comrade to have to serve in [his] place?

Coward? Sure sounds like it.

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another pov from one who served in iraq
by WOODS-HICK / November 24, 2006 8:35 PM PST
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reply to: another
by caktus / November 28, 2006 5:50 PM PST

So, now their trying to legislate from [beyond] the bench.

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(NT) Send him to Levenworth
by C1ay / November 24, 2006 10:59 PM PST
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hey, jp
by WOODS-HICK / November 27, 2006 6:23 AM PST

I thought the following is quite funny. I was talking about this pfc and my friend says:

"why don't cic daughters or george P bush(jeb's son) take the private's place?"

why isn't that the most absurd idea? I am still rolling.

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why should this coward
by Mark5019 / November 27, 2006 11:49 AM PST
In reply to: hey, jp

rate special privileges?
he should be in levenworth nort in no helpping the lazy

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Re: he should be in levenworth
by JP Bill / November 27, 2006 12:10 PM PST
In reply to: why should this coward

He should go to jail for breach of contract?

Do civilians go to jail for breach of contract?

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but jp hes not a civillian
by Mark5019 / November 27, 2006 12:17 PM PST

hes a soldier and thats where you forget hes awol and a coward

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Re: he's not a civilian
by JP Bill / November 27, 2006 12:42 PM PST

He was a civilian that signed a contract, and became a soldier.

A soldier is a person, a civilian is a person.

A person that is a civilian doesn't go to jail when they breach a contract, why should a soldier?

Isn't that what a person does when they go awol?

Not show up for work? They are not fulfilling their contract to complete the job?

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You're not familiar with the UCMJ huh?
by C1ay / November 28, 2006 12:42 AM PST

He's not a civilian, he's in the military UNTIL DISCHARGED. The UCMJ applies which means it's up to the military, not civilian law. He belongs in Levenworth for his dereliction of duty. IMO he is more than AWOL, he is a deserter since he has no intent of returning and should be punished accordingly.

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Re: He's in the military, he's not a civilian
by JP Bill / November 28, 2006 12:51 AM PST

Right, I agree.

Do you agree he signed a contract when he joined the military?

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by C1ay / November 28, 2006 1:24 AM PST

Contract law does not apply, military law does, He's a deserter.

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Re: Contract law does not apply,
by JP Bill / November 28, 2006 2:34 AM PST
In reply to: Irrelevant
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That's a discharge code....
by C1ay / November 28, 2006 4:24 AM PST

not a legal action. There is no "Breach of Contract" article in the UCMJ like there is for Desertion,

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Obviously he signed a contract ...
by Bill Osler / November 28, 2006 1:27 AM PST

It isn't unusual for contracts to include language regarding legal questions related to subsequent enforcement actions. The contract he signed included provisions that took enforcement of the contract out of the US civilian legal system and put it in the military legal system. IOW, he voluntarily signed some of his rights away. Breach of that particular contract is sometimes punishable by imprisonment or worse. If he didn't like the terms of the contract he shouldn't have joined.

I have some sympathy for folks who fought against the rules during compulsory military service, but this guy volunteered. He's pretty much stuck with the consequences of his actions.

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Speaking of "consequences"....
by caktus / November 29, 2006 3:00 AM PST

I wonder who his replacement is, or was(?).

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