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He knows not of what he speaks

Dec 5, 2016 4:19AM PST
Trump Promises Reshoring - While His Own Products Are Made Overseas

But economists have warned that such a high tax could ignite a trade war, and that China and Mexico would retaliate with high taxes of their own. Such a situation could make a host of everyday products more expensive for Americans and ultimately trigger a recession.

This latest controversy isn’t the first time Trump’s understanding of manufacturing issues has been called into question.

Earlier this month, Trump said he hoped to make Apple manufacture its products in the U.S. again. Only problem? Many of Apple’s components are already manufactured in America and always have been — it’s only the assembly that happens overseas.


Trump outsourcing includes home goods, daughter’s clothing line

Manufacturing outside the U.S. may be good business for a billionaire like Trump. But in the political arena — where campaigns go to absurd lengths to secure and sell only made-in-America goods and drive only made-in-America cars — Trump’s business deals stand out for being as impolitic as his speech.

It turns out that a huge array of Trump brand products are made in Asia or South America, countries where — as he told CNN this past summer — “the laborers are paid a lot less, and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.”

public data collected by a private company, ImportGenius, which gathers export and import information, shows Trump products outsourcing jobs back to 2006. And the trend has intensified over the past few years. Since 2011, around 1,200 shipments of goods with the Trump name on them have come to the U.S. from other countries. Our Principles PAC, a super-PAC opposing Trump, compiled the data from ImportGenius into an Excel spreadsheet (viewable here) with 1,356 shipments going back to 2006.

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Did they also track
Dec 5, 2016 6:48AM PST

the number of imports of Chinese drywall, steel, etc have come in during the same period of time? How many products do we actually get from Mexico?

The number of shipments seems to be important to them, but what exactly ARE the products that Trump has imported besides ties compared to what China imports by cargo containers to our docks?

Do you HONESTLY think WE aren't charged a 'tariff' tax by China and Mexico when we export a product to THEIR country (and exporting to them is no easy feat to begin with)? Why shouldn't we charge an import fee on THEIR products coming here?

If the parts for an Apple are made here, how expensive/cheap is it to export them all to China, assemble them, and then ship them back here compared to the labor it would cost right here to assemble them as well?

Where is the 'fair' trade?

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RE:Where is the 'fair' trade?
Dec 5, 2016 7:36AM PST

Ask the person that is championing "fair trade" and makes statements like this..........ONE of HIS claims why HE produces HIS products overseas.....“the laborers are paid a lot less, and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.”

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OK....he pays them less, but
Dec 5, 2016 7:51AM PST

hilLIARy makes millions from donations that come from countries that treat women like dirt, and she claims to be an advocate for women.....and she doesn't have a 'product' to sell or pay someone else to produce for her wealth.

Let's compare the two........

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RE: hilLIARy?
Dec 5, 2016 11:06AM PST

Is she still around?...I heard she was walking paths in the woods petting strange dogs and posing for selfies.

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(NT) Are you admitting that she's become irrelevant?
Dec 5, 2016 12:50PM PST
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RE:admitting?
Dec 5, 2016 1:27PM PST

Does that mean YOU admit she is irrelevant?

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She will be even more so when in jail finally......
Dec 5, 2016 2:32PM PST

Does that mean that you admit it?

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She'll always be relevant
Dec 6, 2016 4:49AM PST

In YOUR mind, Smiling, with her hideous laugh, always there, tormenting the he** out of you.

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As one of the biggest corrupt liars in
Dec 6, 2016 6:10AM PST

my lifetime, perhaps.

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It does you good to come here and vent...
Dec 6, 2016 6:42AM PST

Once you send me your mailing address I'll be sending you a bill for my services.

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I sent you mine already, JP
Dec 6, 2016 11:41AM PST

You must have lied to CNET about your location and didn't receive it.....liberals always hide via deflection.

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You must have read something I can't find
Dec 5, 2016 8:34AM PST

You seem to have indicated that low pay and worse conditions is "why" he has his products produced overseas. "Why" would anyone do that? Well...according to this link;

the Washington Post

which isn't exactly "Trump friendly", reason is "Finding the biggest company with the best practices is what was important to him,” said Jeff Danzer, who was vice president of the company hired by Trump to broker the deal. "

I read here as well that;

'Moreover, Trump has mentioned labor conditions overseas in support of his position that goods should be made in the United States, telling CNN last year that Chinese laborers are “paid a lot less and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.”

This is a far cry from Trump from what you wrote.

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RE:This is a far cry from Trump from what you wrote.
Dec 5, 2016 11:20AM PST

That's right...it is isn't it?

YOURS
'Moreover, Trump has mentioned labor conditions overseas in support of his position that goods should be made in the United States, telling CNN last year that Chinese laborers are “paid a lot less and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.”

Mine
It turns out that a huge array of Trump brand products are made in Asia or South America, countries where — as he told CNN this past summer — “the laborers are paid a lot less, and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.

Mine mentions the fact that TheRUMP manufactures products overseas and yours doesn't.....Yours mentions that labour conditions support goods being made in America....


Perhaps you don't think he is concerned...you just wanted to point out the the first line was someone trying to slant the "fact"..So answer this question

Can you explain WHY YOU THINK TheRUMP would be concerned about the health and well being OR the pay scale of labourers in China? his claim "supports his position"? You think he cares about a Chinese labourer?

I believe that TheRUMP was looking out for his own interest and will take his business any where in the world to save a buck...

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This was my mistake and I apologize for it
Dec 5, 2016 12:34PM PST

I meant to respond to where you said;

"Ask the person that is championing "fair trade" and makes statements like this..........ONE of HIS claims why HE produces HIS products overseas.....“the laborers are paid a lot less, and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety.” (underline is mine)

That should make it more clear. I'm not arguing as to where his products are made but just pointing out that your statement as to why holds no water. His argument is that they should be made here but you are using the same verbiage to express something contrary to the context of the speech.

What is unfortunately the truth, Trump would need to build his own mills in order to do this in the US. There aren't that many here in the US anymore. It has nothing to do with the finished products but the availability of mills of "best practice" to produce them.

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RE: Trump would need to build his own mills
Dec 5, 2016 1:13PM PST
Trump would need to build his own mills in order to do this in the US.

NO...he COULD take part in a "sharing economy"

A sharing economy is an economic model in which individuals are able to borrow or rent assets owned by someone else. The sharing economy model is most likely to be used when the price of a particular asset is high and the asset is not fully utilized all the time.

Do you think the factory in wherever is ONLY producing Trump products? 24 hrs/day...making neckties for Trump...What is it? 3 people with tiny fingers, scissors, needles and thread?

When technology and automation are so advanced that 1 or 2 plants have the ability to produce the total world demand for a particular item, and items can be shipped worldwide in less than a week...Can you wait 2 extra days to get your Trump necktie?

HE saves $50 on labour...pays $3 for "shipping"...Do the math.

Run the country as a "business"?

For the BOSS OR for the "employees/citizens"?
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Good grief. You're seeing too small of a picture
Dec 5, 2016 1:46PM PST

I can't say one way or another if his plans could work but I have some idea of what's happened with our collapsed textile and garment industry while some have survived or even thrived. Trump is blaming some of this on bad "Free Trade" agreements. Other reasons are numerous. Of course, unionisation of factories is often mentioned as playing a large part. No one is suggesting "Trump only" products either. The US no longer has the large textile mills and garment manufacturing ability to handle the needs of the country. In my own lifetime I've experienced the slow decline of "Made in the USA" labels in my clothing. Thus far, I don't see where HP has invented a way to print a pair of shorts. If I want one, it's likely to have been made overseas. Can Trump turn that trend around? I don't know but I'm willing to let him try. All we know so far about our previous few administrations is that little or nothing has been done to reverse the collapse of decades ago.

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RE:The US no longer has the large textile mills and garment
Dec 5, 2016 7:22PM PST
The US no longer has the large textile mills and garment manufacturing ability to handle the needs of the country.

You would be surprised what the country can do when it sets it's mind to it...Ask TONI H.
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Keeping to my original (though misplaced) post,
Dec 6, 2016 2:36AM PST

I still don't see where you've answered my charge that you've incorrectly applied a partial quote from the context of a Trump speech which claims that having poorly compensated workers make his brands is "why" the work is sent overseas. You make this sound as though he gets some sort of joy from exploiting these folks. That would be sick. You did not offer anything to prove this claim. I offered a site that showed your claim to be a false one. Wasn't there some discussion about the charges to which no proof was offered? Didn't you participate in that discussion?

I'm not here to defend Trump in any way. I won't and don't need to because you have done that yourself by offering lies and unsubstantiated claims against the man.

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RE:You make this sound as though he gets some
Dec 6, 2016 4:43AM PST
You make this sound as though he gets some sort of joy from exploiting these folks. That would be sick. You did not offer anything to prove this claim.

TheRUMP is "exploiting" someone....

Perhaps even more than ONE group....

Cheap labour? Check....

Environmental Standards? None....

Workplace Safety?...None

Healthcare for workers?...None.....

High Prices for product? Check...

He's has NO JOY....but he is laughing all the way to the bank.

You did not offer anything to prove this claim

The "proof" is on the pricetag?

The "proof" will be obvious when he increases tariffs

RE:I offered a site that showed your claim to be a false one.

THIS is from one of your links...

Documents and interviews reveal the personal role Trump played in negotiating the deal. Participants said they could not recall him expressing a preference that products be made in the United States.

“Finding the biggest company with the best practices is what was important to him,” said Jeff Danzer, who was vice president of the company hired by Trump to broker the deal. “Finding a company that made in America was never something that was specified.”

“If he’s concerned about jobs in the United States, it should have been a question he asked,” said one person involved in the deal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending Trump. “And I can tell you that in none of the meetings did it come up.”

The shirtmaker used factories in some countries, including Bangladesh, China and Honduras, where labor violations such as forced overtime are common,
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RE:You make this sound as though he gets some sort of joy fr
Dec 6, 2016 7:09AM PST
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He only said out loud what other
Dec 6, 2016 11:47AM PST

real estate moguls were doing, JP. Don't you want honesty in a candidate, even if you don't agree with that honesty? Even 'flippers' made money during the collapse.....when Heather and Derek were looking for their first home in Manassas 9 years ago, Heather and I spent three days there looking at over 70 homes that were on her list with an agent and a good 80% of them were totally trashed inside by former owners who lost it all or the houses were vandalized or they had been taken over by squatters. MANY people made money off of someone else's hardships, JP....not just Trump. You think hilLIARy's foundation hasn't made millions off her foundation by touting all the good they've done for charity when it turns out only about 10% of what she took in for some of them was spent on unfortunate people's tragedies? Is there any record that Trump actually DID make money buying up properties that were in distress?

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RE:He only said out loud what other
Dec 6, 2016 12:06PM PST

So they're all "sick"?

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RE:Is there any record that Trump actually DID make money bu
Dec 6, 2016 12:33PM PST
Is there any record that Trump actually DID make money buying up properties that were in distress?

Release his tax returns?You think he's that truthful/stupid?
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His tax records won't show that, JP...
Dec 6, 2016 2:49PM PST

nor would it show dates of any purchases anyhow....

IF you can prove that he bought up a ton of distressed properties, it would be in the Property Tax Departments of counties all across the country. Have at it.......Trump International is the name of his company that normally deals in Real Estate purchases.

Nope...he's that smart, JP. There is NO requirement that says a presidential candidate has to release their tax returns. Nobody but liberals care about what's in his and it really isn't anybody's business but his own. He released his FINANCIAL records and that shows quite a bit and is all that is required....go cry in your beer over the fact that he thumbed his nose at liberal 'rules' and didn't bend....no more than hilLIARy did over her emails and her speeches to Wall Street.

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RE:There is NO requirement that says a presidential candidat
Dec 6, 2016 8:33PM PST

There is NO requirement that says a presidential candidate has to release their tax returns. Nobody but liberals care about what's in his

Why Even Conservative Republicans Say Donald Trump Must Release His Tax Returns

Mark Sanford, the two-time governor and current Congressman from South Carolina, is a self-professed “conservative Republican” who plans on following the party line and voting for Donald Trump in the presidential election.

But Sanford doesn’t exactly seem happy about it. In an op-ed penned for the New York Times, Sanford said that he has “no stomach for his personal style and his penchant for regularly demeaning others.” More importantly, though, Trump’s decision to not release his tax returns “would hurt transparency in our democratic process,” likely resulting in hundreds of other political candidates refusing to release their returns in the future:

He also said on the air that Trump will likewise make his tax returns public once an IRS audit is complete. However, Trump himself has recently stated he will not release his tax returns before the November election.


Regularly demeaning?...An A-hole?

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AUGUST 15? Really, JP?
Dec 7, 2016 2:54AM PST

This is the best you've got? Something from MONTHS before the election, and even THIS Congressman admitted that he would VOTE for Trump even WITHOUT the taxes being released?

YOU HAVE NO POINT TO MAKE HERE......They aren't required, he didn't give them, and HE WON.

Carry on......

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RE:If I want one, it's likely to have been made overseas.
Dec 6, 2016 6:54AM PST
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RE:The US no longer has the large textile mills and garment
Dec 6, 2016 7:02AM PST
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"Can they be expanded?"
Dec 6, 2016 11:40AM PST

Of course the can. But can they hire a skilled labor force to fill the expanded facilities? You're still looking at too small of a picture. The implosion of the textile industry meant a reduced need for skilled labor. Since that time and with automation, the number of people needed has been reduced and they skills needed with newer technologies have changed. I suppose one could build a factory and move people from China and Bangladesh to the USA to work in them.
Ok...maybe that's silly but so is the thought of beginning any expansion by going brick-and-mortar first. It seems logical that we'd need to create a business climate that's more competitive with those companies overseas that dominate the textile and clothing industries. If that happens, those with available investment capital is more likely to come forward to take advantage of that climate. Government cannot make our shirts and pants but they do control business climates through their authority to regulate industry, and make trade agreements with foreign nations. Some people are saying it's the regulations and trade agreements that have created a poor climate for many businesses and blaming these as the reason why sustainable good paying jobs have become more scarce. I say that makes more sense than some feeling that business people have a responsibility to create these jobs no matter what.

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RE:But can they hire a skilled labor force to fill the expan
Dec 6, 2016 12:16PM PST
But can they hire a skilled labor force to fill the expanded facilities?

Do they have people working there now?...Are they "skilled"?....Did they stop making Americans that can be trained, OR as TheRUMP said (and you disagreed with) low wages...safety cocncerns...and on and on is the MAIN reason it ain't gonna' happen.

It's a NEW world...and the Forth Industrial Revolution....