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HDTV from US - capable of viewing cable channels overseas?

May 16, 2007 4:12AM PDT

I am aware that countries have their unique TV tuner standards (such as NTSC/ATSC in the US, and PAL in Europe, Asia etc). It is also a fact that I can connect a digital cable box such as Time Warner box to a LCD or Plasma monitor (without a built-in tuner) to receive cable channels anywhere in the world without any need for a TV tuner.

In this background, can I view cable channels using a cable box on the new generation of HDTVs (ones that carry built-in tuners specific to a particular country), overseas of the particular country. So, in other words, if you have a HDTV from the US, can you view cable channels on the HDTV if you relocate outside of the US?

Appreciate any thoughts asap.

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Short NO
May 16, 2007 7:33AM PDT

Power is diffrent throughout the world, that is what would stop some one from taking a tv from the US to the UK.

http://www.kropla.com/electric2.htm


there is an industrial model plasma (panasonic?) that can asept diffrent power inputs, but it is pricy & only comes in 1 or 2 sizes

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Ditto on the NO!!!!
May 17, 2007 6:39AM PDT
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More info.
May 17, 2007 7:38AM PDT

Thank you for your responses. I can get around the power issue using a simple step up/down transformer. As I understand it, the real issue is regarding the digital standard ATSC (US) versus DVB (non-US).

If I were to use a local cable box (specific to the overseas country), and connect it to the TV through HDMI cable, will it work? I have tried this for a LCD monitor without a built-in tuner (per my original email), and it worked. The issue is if it will work on a TV which is essentially a monitor with built-in tuner.

Appreciate all thoughts.

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If you get the Panny industrial and use component cables,
May 17, 2007 7:54AM PDT

It will work with other DVD players and cable boxes.
The HDMI is an extra cost option on industrial plasma sets. John

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Then...
May 17, 2007 8:15AM PDT

Yes it should as long as you don't use the coaxial & then you by-bais the built in-tuner used & use a exteral box as a tuner.
Over the air channels you would have to hook a antenna up to the external cable/satellite box, but not 100% sure that will work.

for the power you got to make sure that you have the 'Frequency' right, too.

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any potential conflict with signal standards?
May 17, 2007 8:34AM PDT

Thank you. I presume you mean by-pass the built-in tuner for the cable box signal to work. That's my thinking as well - using the cable box as the tuner. Will the tuner standard in the TV (ATSC in this case) conflict against the signal coming out of the cable box (DVB)? As I mentioned earlier, with a simple monitor, this was a non-issue as there was no built-in tuner. The TV has one! and I never plan on using it unfortunately...

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May 17, 2007 9:04AM PDT

PAL, NTSC & SECAM could endup being a problem. If your tv is 60mhz it should work since PAL is 50mhz, ? what SECAM is.

The internal tuner inside the tv Only kicks in, at lease on my tv, when something is hookup to the tv via coaxial, no tuner opptions on hdmi, s-line & composite. If in the tv setup menu you can not select Auto Program, Label Channels, Scan etc... in the channel/station menu area, the tuner is not used for that input.

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Sounds very logical
May 17, 2007 10:36AM PDT

Thanks again. I like this process of elimination to get to the answer. It makes total sense, however, when I say this to the vendors (Samsung and Sharp), they claim it will not work as the TV needs to be capable of interpreting the digital signal it receives! ATSC in the US versus DVB overseas for the digital world just like NTSC vs PAL in the analog world. As a comparative test (not entirely equivalent to a cable box connection though), I tried to connect a PC at 1080p resolution using a HDMI cable, but the TV did not pick up the signal. On trying it on a set with PC compatibility built-in, the connection from the PC worked...only adds to the complexity, I guess..any thoughts?

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May 17, 2007 3:55PM PDT

PC to TV via hdmi can give one a headache. It is the tv? Is it the videocard? Is it the drivers? Is it the PC settings? & soo on
VGA is the most reliable & it always works.

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Any more updates on this topic?
Oct 23, 2007 3:08PM PDT

Any more updates on this topic? I am also looking for solution to the same issue. My plasma TV has built-in ATSC, NTSC tuner. My question is does the ATSC/DVB (NTSC/PAL) matters for HDMT output?

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Digital vs. NTCS and PAL
Oct 25, 2007 7:34PM PDT

I have a similar but opposite issue. I have a US Sony LCD HDTV which does NOT provide a picture from a European Sony HD camcorder or a Toshiba multi-jurisdictional DVD player.

I too thought I could bypass the inbuilt tuner on the TV and use it like a monitor. No luck yet though I have only tried for 30 mins. Also hoping Sony can help when I ask the right person! Or someone on my separate thread on this forum!

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HDTV from Canada - capable of viewing cable channels in UK
Jun 18, 2007 5:40AM PDT

Hello,

I wanted to check with you whether your US purchased TV worked in the UK or not? More specifically, did it work both with cable high definition & non HD broadcasts and with non-cable broadcasts? Thanks.

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Frequency is important matter to consider !!
Nov 12, 2007 1:58AM PST

Hi,

I am residing in US, I have always wanted to take a tv to overseas, but my main concern that holds me back is the frequency which is 50hz in Europe and 60Hz in the US. You can change the voltage from 110 to 220 volts or vice versa by a transformer, however, this does not change the frequency, which has an impact on the electric power applied to the devices, also provides the triggering for electronic clock devices. That is why if you hook up a digital electric alarm clock in the US and hook it up to the grid in Europe, even with a transformer, after a while, the time will stray( I believe it lags in that case).

So, if someone asks me why other devices such as, computers work overseas, is that they have internal converters(power adapters) that change alternate current(which is grid current) to direct current -DC. That is why they work all over the world. and Yet, those devices, such as laptops, pocket pcs, phones etc., are type of devices that are by nature needs to travel by user. that is why their adapters has a voltage range to sense and convert to specific power output. However, TVs are not working with direct current as far as I know. Also, they are not really intended to be carried from one geographic region to another.

Hope this helps.

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Power conversion Continued...
Nov 12, 2007 2:12AM PST

I forgot to mention in the previous post that, If you hook up an electronic device like a TV that is bought in the US, that works with alternate current,( not with a direct current like phones, computers etc uses), to a grid with a voltage converter in Europe, the device may work for some time, but in short period of time it is likely to broke.

Bottom line, you will need an AC power converter, like 220V 50 Hertz, to 110V 60Hertz, and that also provides enough power output to power your TV. Lets say if your TV works with 500Watts, your power converters output must be greater than 500watts. I haven't searched for such a device for long time, but I remember few years ago, I couldn't find one, that's intended for consumers.

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some TV's are 110-240 50/60
Sep 19, 2008 3:22AM PDT

You can find regular TV's that are dual power. (e.g. Sony KDL46WL135) so that isn't to big a problem. Did anybody figure out the answer to the original qustion on the tuner?

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Besides the power issue, I think you need a multi-scan TV
Sep 19, 2008 4:20AM PDT

Computer monitors are typicall multi-scan, so they can display the various frequencies involved between NTSC and PAL. But TVs typically don't do this, unless as some other posters mentioned, you buy an industrial monitor (like the Panasonic) which are multi-sync (multi-display) and will display anything you throw at them.